Hugh Hefner 1926-2017

"But it’s also worth pointing out, in the spirit of the sort of open cultural dialogue he worked his whole life to encourage, that Hefner’s egalitarian society was one largely envisioned and created for men.

The terms of his rebellion undeniably depended on putting women in a second-class role. It was the women, after all, whose sexuality was on display on the covers and in the centerfolds of his magazine, not to mention hanging on his shoulder, practically until the day he died.

Hef’s notion of the freedom to express sexuality translated largely into freedom to express men’s desire for women, and the fantasy that those women would be always ready and eager to comply.

And it wasn’t just about business: Hefner himself bragged about sleeping with more than a thousand women. In her 2015 memoir, “Down the Rabbit Hole,” former Playmate and Hef girlfriend Holly Madison described the Playboy Mansion as a place where Hef would encourage competition – and body image issues --between his multiple live-in girlfriends. His legacy is full of evidence of the exploitation of women for professional gain. In creating Playboy, and maintaining its brand over six decades, Hef championed a world in which women serve to delight and entertain men, where their bodies are objects, where modification to appeal to male senses often took precedence over comfort (because who really wants DDDs?).

Women were bunnies – the “lucky ones,” anyway. The smart pieces by well-known journalists that he ran in his magazine – even female journalists, like Margaret Atwood – were designed to enrich the intellect of the magazine’s male readers."

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Considering Playboy has stopped with nudes and has a history of articles and short fiction that’s rather astonishing given it’s a skin magazine?

Reading the articles unironically is a good idea.

Amusing anticdote: There are braille playboys.

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Incidentally, they reversed the descision to stop including nudity in February of this year.

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Was he a guy who saw women in large part in sexual terms? Yes*. That was pretty common. Probably the woman’s right that he was most concerned with was her right to say “yes.” But unlike most people (of both sexes) in the era he was from, he never demeaned women FOR saying yes. It is difficult for people today to realize just how different that was. He celebrated sex, but he never regarded it as “dirty” He did much to legitimize prurient interest in women. But that interest has always been there, even if it’s expression was hidden away and considered shameful.

The sexual revolution, of which he was one of the flag bearers, has brought with it its own set of problems. The expectation that a woman should be willing and interested in sex at all times can be just as oppressive as the expectation that she not desire sex. The new normal has made those who aren’t comfortable with having sex outside of marriage feel like they are “abnormal,” but the old way made many women feel that their desire was shameful. Unlike his contemporaries, he never regarded sex as shameful for either the man or the woman. And that is what made him different than the other pornographers of the period. There were, after all, plenty of them, but they lived in the shadows. By being glossy, in the open, and mixing porn with non-porn content, he legitimized sexuality.

Porn is basically the “high fructose corn syrup,” of sex. Just like refined sugar slots into the reward pathway that evolution created to get us to eat fruit**, Porn fills part of the psychological niche that has evolved so that we have relationships. So it can lead to a sort of psychological malnutrition.

*This is probably overstated. Like many people who are associated with an issue they aren’t usually ALL about that that one issue.

**of course fruit itself evolved in parallel so that we would distribute seeds more widely. So even our love for sweets is about reproduction, it’s just about us enabling plant reproduction.

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There’s no good way to discuss Hef, there’s both good and bad in his legacy. The US has a long history of puritan pearl clutching when it comes to sexual expression vs Europe or Latin America, so even though Hef’s reasons were purely selfish and exploitative it did help open up America to accept that sex isn’t sinful. Would it have happened without Hef? Likely but that’s not how it happened so we have to consider his role in it whether we want to or not. That being said, there’s probably other people whose contributions were way more meaningful and important.

My personal thoughts on the guy? He’s an asshole and a manipulator and he’s the last guy i’d want anyone to look up to and glorify. He’s not for women as you said, he was for men being able to freely enjoy women at their expense.

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If his pallbearers aren’t all bunnies, I’m going to be really disappointed!

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Is that supposed to be a good thing?

I wonder how many guys would’ve traded places instead with the bunnies, by say, sticking a fluffy cotton ball on their own asses?

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Some people pay extra for that.

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Has the U.S. ever spent so much time celebrating and “reflecting on” the “accomplishments” of a pimp?

I don’t really know which women were liberated by Hefner’s fantasies. I guess if you aspired to be a living Barbie it was as fabulous as it is to be in Donald Trump’s entourage. Had we gone to court, I would like to have heard some of the former playmates and bunnies speak up in court – because over the years they have.

The accounts of the “privileged few” who made it into the inner sanctum of the 29-room Playboy mansion as wives/girlfriends/bunny rabbits are quite something. In Hefner’s petting zoo/harem/brothel, these interchangeable blondes were put on a curfew. They were not allowed to have friends to visit. And certainly not boyfriends. They were given an “allowance”. The big metal gates on the mansion that everyone claimed were to keep people out of this “nirvana” were described by one-time Hefner “girlfriend no 1” Holly Madison in her autobiography thus: “I grew to feel it was meant to lock me in.”

The fantasy that Hefner sold was not a fantasy of freedom for women, but for men. Women had to be strangely chaste but constantly available for the right price.

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In the last two days I’ve read a lot of wistful, moony words written by men remembering their relationship with playboy, championing Hefner as having freed them from feeling shame about sexual desire, and how happy they felt when first encountering the magazine.

But it has to be said again that what it did to liberate straight men’s sexuality did not translate into liberation of straight women’s sexuality.

I imagine a lot of girls’ first encounters with it, like mine, went like this:

"After school, we sneaked into her dad’s private study and she opened a drawer, pulled out a stack of magazines and opened one. She unfolded a page from the middle.

There she was, the playmate, the centerfold, a blond woman with honeyed skin, looking straight at us, naked.

I’d never seen a naked woman except my mother, who looked nothing like this woman. I told Lynn I didn’t need to see any more. I may have been intrigued, but what I remember was feeling threatened.

The thought of Lynn’s dad, or anyone’s dad, sitting in their home and staring at naked women made me feel like prey. I couldn’t have articulated the feeling that way then, but I remember sensing it. The photo also made me feel ugly, which, in my 12-year-old brain, was about as bad.

“If Lynn’s dad likes this, how bad can it be?” I remember thinking. “But ick. I hate it.”

As you said, the sexual revolution was already happening without him, but he managed to make a lot of money by selling a fantasy ideal of both masculinity and femininity.

Edit: fixed my link

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Damn. Playboy saw Hussler go under from trying to out-compete the internet on porn. I figured they were going for the tasteful route and go back to its roots of risque but ultimately not overt.

Eh well.

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I definitely don’t think that he’s a role model, and anyone thinking so really needs to reconsider their priorities and beliefs. The world he lived in is not too different from the age old fantasy of being the only man on an island/planet full of naive beautiful women, except that the reality of such a thing is insidious, amoral, exploitative, and more. Women were things to collect for him to ogle at, and enjoy until they were no longer pretty enough or useful to him.

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Complete agreement. I can sure as hell respect that the man was able to build from little to nothing. However I don’t think he’s some sterling example to live by.

It’s always kind of fascinating to me to hear fond remembrances from guys who found stashes of Playboys as young teens and how thankful they are to Hef for this gift to their young hormones or whatever.

Myself, when I got my first look at the girls in Playboy and Hustler as a teen, looked at these women and thought, “Ick. This is what I’m supposed to think of as the ultimate in sexiness? This bored, fake-looking woman with big blond hair, staring at me as if challenging me to get a boner?”

Thanks, Hef, for helping make me gay.

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Quote of the year.

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*lmao!

His ideal ‘barbie doll’ aesthetic was indeed boring and cliched…

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The generation i grew up in had no need for porn magazines (because internet) so the Playboy thing is entirely lost on me. However i’m sure young me would have appreciated such a magazine, but young minds don’t know any better so that line of argument doesn’t mean much as far as i’m concerned. It doesn’t justify objectifying women, especially knowing Hef’s own views and actions on the matter, as has been discussed multiple times above.

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I also grew up in the age of the internet, but I still encountered Playboy and other soft core magazines while babysitting at a neighbor’s house.

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So did Hitler. (Yes, I went there. Sorry to Godwin this thread.)

Changing the world doesn’t automatically make you a hero. For all the good things Hefner did or was involved with, there was definitely some harsh truths one needs to contend with.

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Seconded, but at a friend’s house in grade school.

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