If the election was held today, Bernie would beat Trump by 8 points

Originally published at: https://boingboing.net/2019/08/13/bernie-beats-trump.html

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But what whould the delegate (elector) count look like? Hillary got more votes than Trump and what did that get us?

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We know that winning the popular vote by 3% wasn’t enough to secure the election for HRC. With Russian meddling and GOP vote suppression, I don’t know if 8 percentage points overall would be enough to secure an electoral college victory.

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I was thinking the same, 8 points really isn’t enough to count it is any kind of victory. However it may be reported as a way to encourage his supporters and other democrats and keep them involved.

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Didn’t all the polls say the same thing about Clinton before the 2016 election?

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So holding the election today would be the best way to keep Russia out of it.

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Right, now map those points onto the Electoral College.

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Honestly this is horrifying. The absolute embodiment of evil is only single-digit numbers behind basically anybody.

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Well, that and eliminating the Electoral College.

Really, Dems, what say we don’t repeat the same mistakes of 2016? Let’s assume the odds are even and fight accordingly for what might be the last chance for liberal democracy in America. I’m sure that Sanders and Warren and Harris won’t mirror Clinton’s complacency, but Biden is probably already declaring victory based on these numbers.

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Yes, according to the polls Clinton would have beaten Trump if the election had been held on election day.

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Remember the electoral college.

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When he gets physically thrown out of the White House - who does that? The Secret Service? DC Police? I’m thinking people would line up for that gig.

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Maybe Bernie (or Joe) are not the candidates that provide the best chance to beat the authoritarian in office.

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I’m assuming you mean electors, not delegates (delegate confer endorsement within a party). But to take your point, here in MN we had more Bernie delegates than Hillary delegates and Bernie prevailed. And then most of those Bernie delegates went home, not realizing they’d already taken over the party. Bottom line: it’s good to know how things actually work, so you don’t pass up an opportunity to gain influence for your ideas…

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8 points is actually pretty huge as many if not most races are won on single digit margins. Also the GOP’s voter suppression and gerrymandering give them an estimated 7 point advantage in many states. We need all the points we can get to fight both the Koch dark money network and the Electoral College.

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Thanks for the correction, I couldn’t remember the right word.

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I do agree Gracchus; we are our own worst enemy sometimes. And on a tangent point, Let me just point out that the “Dems” who confer endorsement are the people who show up. Hillary was not chosen in a smoky room (even with the stupid stuff DWS did). Virtually all Delegates who confer endorsement in their states are volunteers representing local districts in each state. It is painful to see how few people actually bother to become delegates or run for local party office (or phone call or door knock or do anything at all) and then hear people who do nothing complain about the people who volunteer. Change requires our butts in a campaign or party election office until we win.

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Simonize, I’m lucky if I can remember what I ate for breakfast -or even if I ate at all.

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The Marine that has to stand beside Marine One while trump vomits verbal diarrhea at the press.

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I’m gonna vote for the U.S. Olympic wrestling team

http://teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Team-USA/National-Team-Bios

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