Even if that were true, what does it have to do with anything related to costs of healthcare. Right now the current system lets people die younger, costs more, is more complicated, and ruins people’s financial lives across generations.
[quote=“lolipop_jones, post:80, topic:92858”]in nations whose populations, for genetic and lifestyle reasons, tend to be healthier.[/quote]Oh you can go jump of a bridge with this one. There’s no genetic superiority involved, and healthy lifestyles cost money and generally rely heavily on the state for funding.
I wonder what social programs could be in place for better food and preventative medicine? I wonder what infrastructure projects could be done to improve foot traffic? Hell, I wonder what media campaigns there could be to change lifestyles?
That’s an important question whose answer many people seem to have missed. Simply put, it is the mandate. There are quite a few self employed and under-employed people who are forced to buy healthcare and it is breaking the bank for them. That pisses a lot of people off and many hold the position that the government does not have the legal authority to force you to buy a product from a private company. My wife is self employed and even on the ACA marketplace she is forced to pay about 40% of her income on insurance. Since her work can vary from month to month, there are months when she makes no income but must still find the cash to pay her insurance bill.
That’s the detractors problem with the ACA and it always has been. Instead of smugly mocking these people it may be a good idea to listen to them before we loose the ACA completely.
Sure, and I don’t think it’s an unfair criticism or one that should be ignored. The high cost of insurance is a problem for lots of people.
But I think the rising cost of healthcare (whether through the marketplace or an employer) is not something that you can solely blame on the ACA and in fact, it seems to have at the very least slowed the cost. It’s probably more productive for all of us to focus on the reason for the rising costs and see if we can amend the law as it stands, rather than pull the rug out from under the millions of people who were actually helped by it.
That is certainly a problem that some people have with the ACA. I think the smug mocking is directed more at people who literally don’t know that the ACA is the “Obamacare” that the Republicans are repealing and that they are about to lose their health coverage that they depend on because they voted to lose it.
The ACA seems pretty stupid to me (because you should just have a public healthcare system that is free for everyone) but repealing it is outright crazy. I think smug mocking is never the right way to go, but I think the lose the ACA completely ship has already sailed.
Yes. I can’t agree more. The GOP thinks they can come up with something better, that covers all the same bases that people liked about the ACA? Great! Let them come up with that BEFORE they pull the rug out from under millions of Americans (many of whom are probably republicans).
Four years of Trump and I think I’ll be begging for that systematic collapse. At least then the west coast and Hawaii can pull together and maybe join up with Canada.
Not according to my check-book. I pay quite a bit more than my old full-coverage policy for less coverage than what a catastrophic-only policy used to be.
(Multiple edits as I can’t word thing tang toungled up coffee stat!)
I suppose I should say “on average, prices are just beginning to show a decline”. My coverage went up over a hundred dollars per month this year alone, and yeah,. it’s painful… But hey, best to kill it before it starts fully taking effect, right, GOP?
