In one day, Trump and Republicans shattered the norms of decency, political transparency, and accountability

I really don’t want to “like” that, but yeah, that is the most likely outcome. :rage:

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Members of my family hate “Obamacare” because they’re required to have insurance, whether they wanted it or not, or face fines. After moving interstate and looking for work, they weren’t doing well financially and being told “We will fine you if you don’t pay hundreds of dollars a month for your family of four” didn’t sit well with them.

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You assume he wanted to get to the end. “Preventative care” is an inconvenient term for people who opposed single-payer universal health insurance, so they pretend it doesn’t exist.

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But “Those other countries have lifestyle reasons that make them healthier!” gets so close to “and that style involves preventative care.” It’s not even a full step of logic, it’s like a little baby step.

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Yes, but why should he go all the way when he can imply that people are lazy and gluttonous and that genetics is a major factor? Each of those in their own way reinforces the idea with Know-Nothings that the recipients of state assistance are “undeserving.” Introducing preventative care at that point defeats that whole argument.

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it’s probably not much consolation, but one of the things the aca addressed was that those catastrophic policies often would not pay out when catastrophe struck.

the policies had a lot of loopholes, and very little regulation. the aca guarantees certain minimal (actual) coverage that those plans didn’t.

but, insurance is one of those things which can be hard to pay for when you don’t need it. i wouldn’t be paying for it if it weren’t subsidized. i can’t afford any plan with my income without foregoing something else.

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“Most likely”? It’s totally #1 on his list. Has been for years and years.

Of course, his plan starts with the taxes from the ACA keep coming in magically…

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See (hear?) also:


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Of all the arguments against the ACA, “it’s raising my premiums” is the most infuriating. It requires completely ignoring the 50 years of (often enormous) annual insurance premium hikes that took place before the ACA went into effect, and how absolutely garbage most available plans were. I actually had an insurance plan once (through my employer, no less!) where my pharmacy co-pay was 100%. WHY EVEN BOTHER, THEN?

I’d be pulling my hair out in frustration, but I probably won’t have insurance long enough to cover the resulting cranial trauma.

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That’s a very insightful perspective. I never looked at it quite that way, in terms of the psychological implications of familiar (to me) economic issues to others. But you’re right – if people aren’t hip to the real reasons why nothing is “trickling down” (as Reagan famously proposed), then who knows what kind of misguided reasons they might come up with?

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Hell I can’t afford it and I make six figures even in a bad year. (Mumble, mumble, life, mumble.)

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They’re not even sending it to committee, just a straight Senate vote? Let’s see if the voters catch up by the time it gets to the House.

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I would alter your statement to “a bad product from a private company”, otherwise I think you capture exactly what ACA detractors (the ones who actually have to buy the insurance on the exchanges, not the ideologues) think of Obamacare.

You are absolutely correct. For the people that just denigrate anyone who is dissatisfied with the ACA as fools who vote against their interests, I say it’s time to exit your self-satisfied bubble.

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six? me too. ( i can include decimal places, right? )

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A rednik.

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You can praise, mock, excoriate, or say whatever you like. This is absolutely orthogonal to the fact that we will without question lose the ACA completely. Sensitivity to the tone of people on the internet is not a consideration of the current GOP controlled Senate.

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Getting sick without insurance isn’t cheap or free for other people either.

They want to talk about personal responsibility, which is more responsible: Paying for your legally mandated health insurance you almost certainly will need at some point, or foisting the costs of your illness onto those around you and the tax payers?

If you’re uninsured and get sick or injured but can’t pay, that doesn’t mean the costs go away. It just means you’re forcing someone else to pay them.

How’s that for “the party of personal responsibility”?

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