A few million each? How much do you think a prison guard makes?
Jeffrey Epstein is dead of hanging in Manhattan jail, authorities say they failed to prevent suicide
I figure if we’re taking the conspiratorial view, the most likely explanation is that they took him off suicide watch so he could make another suicide attempt, only more successful this time. All in the hopes that this would prevent him from implicating anyone else, and move his story off the front pages a little more quickly. (The problem is, one shouldn’t attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by incompetence. And this can be all-too-readily be explained by incompetence, because we already know it exists.)
Conspiracy or no, investigators already have documents, plenty of them. And with Epstein’s death, any NDAs he had his employees sign no longer hold any weight - so they’re free to blab about all the other people they saw hanging out with him…
He certainly must have had NDAs for employees. And while that wouldn’t protect illegal activity from being disclosed (in theory, anyways), most people weren’t actually seeing illegal activity, so they would prevent people from talking about, well, everything else, which would be damning enough for any “friends and associates.”
Yeah, he would have to do more than pay off one guy to fake his death - Epstein was not just in prison, but a highly-scrutinized prisoner, after all. There would have to be a whole series of people at the prison, the coroner’s office, etc. etc. who would have to be in on it. He was not nearly rich enough to pay all those people off, even if they were, coincidentally, all corruptible. (Not to mention the high chance that someone not in those groups - an investigator, a journalist - could poke their nose in and ruin everything.)
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No disrespect nor disparagement was intended. My post was strictly in the context of prison life, which I should have made more clear. Suicide is a genuine problem. I have struggled with suicidal ideation, myself, and have benefited from professional mental health treatment.
Potentially suicidal people are treated seriously and respectfully in prison. Having stood suicide watch shifts, I can only note from personal experience that the ones I and my peers were involved with were, in fact, there to garner attention.
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But this will be “investigated” i will lay odds.
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If you really treated suicidal people with “seriousness and respect” then you wouldn’t dismiss all the ones you dealt with as being “there to garner attention.” People who are in a healthy psychological and emotional state do not resort to life-threatening self-harm just to get “attention.”
You are so deeply ingrained in the problem that you are incapable of seeing the problem.
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I’m not being clear enough. No actual attempts were made, no self-harm at all. It was all talk. More than that, they would admit that they were just doing it for the attention or, worse, in hopes of being prescribed medications they could hide and sell to other inmates.
So, yes, ALL of the ones I encountered on suicide watch were there for the attention or the possibility of obtaining drugs.
I really cannot stress how completely different the prison environment is from the rest of the world.
Steven
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okaaaaay
In Utah, at least 71 people died in jail over the past five years, with half those deaths a result of suicide and most within a week of an individual entering jail
Eleven South Carolina prisoners committed suicide last year. The number is almost double what it was in 2017.
It is a grim all-time record for corrections officials who say they’re doing what they can to address the mental health needs of its inmates
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I tried to make it clear in my posts that my experience is limited to federal prisons, only. State and county facilities are relative hellholes. I am saddened, but not surprised, that they do not exercise the same precautions as are done at the federal level.
Steven
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As a general reminder, this is a quote from the site Guidelines:
Do not make assumptions as to anyone’s mental state, race, gender, ethnicity, religious beliefs, group affiliation or sexual orientation without corroboration.
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Some more details in NY Daily News:
This all stinks.
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If what you have expressed to strangers is the same attitude that you carry with you in your care for your charges, then I would not be surprised if they felt reluctant to open up or share issues with you. They may even have deflected or said with they said would make you leave them alone.
Just because someone is in prison doesn’t mean that they aren’t a person. Human beings do not do what you describe except in rare, edge cases that point to more serious problems.
Attitudes like yours are why people don’t seek help, and die.
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I heard that $180k was enough to make stormy problems go away.
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A big part of the reason for that is that prisons (at least in the United States) often don’t treat their charges like human beings at all, much less citizens who the prisons should be helping prepare to re-enter society one day.
If people are threatening suicide just to get attention then that’s an indication of much deeper systemic issues.
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My current theory is that it wasn’t supposed to be a successful suicide. The reason why he was taken off of suicide watch was because they thought it was self inflicted to make it look like he was at risk, and decided he wasn’t really likely to succeed. And so he tried to make it more realistic this time around and — oh shit, it’s too good, but the guards will come, oh God, where are the guards…?
A combination of crying wolf which inured the guards, and making mistakes when trying to be clever is my guess. That, or he was able to convince them after the first failed attempt that it was just a trick, so that this time they would go “not falling for that again”.
Really, I do not care if he is alive or dead, as long as the investigation continues. It is the victims that need help. And that involves finding proof.
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What is the source that says he was on suicide watch? Numerous stories published yesterday said he wasn’t. NY Post was told by Fed Bureau of Prisons spokesperson Lee Plourde that Epstein was not “currently” on suicide watch and AP reported that he was taking off of it in July.
So that removes one conspiracy theory but replaces it with another. This makes it harder to throw the night shift guards under the bus. A decision maker made a decision.
Wondering who will be on the Epstein Commission.
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He was on it, but was taken off a couple of weeks ago, because… who knows why. This could be sheer incompetence. It could be malicious, too.
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Maybe Earl Warren isn’t really dead, and can serve. Along with Elvis.
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Why are you reading Breitbart comments?
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