I think so, I think the party knew they couldn’t go anywhere with Corbyn in the current situation, whith Brexit unresolved. He has lost 5 elections one after the other but they refused to see the signs and thet purged every voice against “the beloved leader”
I also think his heart is pure, and he really thinks he is right and his policies would bring a better life for more people than the tories and it is correct that the tory policies are not very social, but one thing is to diagnose correctly and another is to prescribe correctly and his prescription did not agree with the electorate
Also, his speech after the worst election result for labour since 1935 was woeful. He now thinks that unfortunately the election was centered in brexit and he could not get his message across"
Really? after 4 years and 5 elections and 90% of parliament time and newspapers headlines dedicated to brexit now he thinks it was a factor in the election? Where has he been? What has he done?
But he is right, if it wasn’t for brexit, he could have ran on a platform to end austerity and maybe push some sort of nationalisation, but for good or bad, brexit has to be sorted first. All his sitting tight on the fence not committing to either side has cost him.
In 5 years time, if the UK does not explode, and once the situation in relation with the EU starts to be clear, they might have a chance to start over, but they have a lot of work to do
Agreed, but I still hold Corbyn responsible for that. He, and a clique which wouldn’t have had any influence without him, went out of their way to suppress centrists* and reimpose stuff rejected by voters in the 1970s, without any apparent understanding of why the policies didn’t appeal then or now.
Without Corbyn, that doomed experiment would never have been attempted, and we wouldn’t be utterly ****ed.
*: it’s going to be difficult to rebuild, because the sensible adults left or were kicked out.
That’s absolutely fine, even creditable, for a back-bench MP who can afford to vote according to his principles. However, it’s utterly inadequate for a party leader, who has to find a workable compromise between the heart-felt views of a wide range of people, then credibly implement it - irrespective of whether he agrees with every detail.
It’s the same mistake as Tony Blair made: Blair may have truly believed intervention in the Middle East was ‘The Right Thing To Do’, but his personal opinion was irrelevant, as he wasn’t representing himself, he was representing the nation.
But I can definitely see people who explicitly supported Corbyn, or like him just fine either staying home or voting for a smaller party thanks to Brexit. Even if his ideas had currency and support in his party, why the fuck would you approach an election that’s primarily about Brexit by forefronting them and being wishy washy on Brexit?
He should have been done and dusted in 2016, after he said that Zionists colluded with Hitler to create Israel. (One of his attempts at “defense” was that he’d been saying that for 30 years; another, that he couldn’t be antisemitic because he’d had 2 Jewish girlfriends.)
I’m not blaming Labour, just Corbyn. Immediately after these statements two dozen Labour members called for his expulsion; if one of them had been party leader the UK might well be in a very different situation today. There are some extraordinary people in the Labour party. Just not at the top.
Oh sure, the FPTP is spectacularly broken, and ultimately the biggest single thing leading to the Tory victory. But Corbyn really has been a dire failure as the Labour leader – and unlike fixing the election system, replacing him with someone better was a possibility.
Well, yes, for sure - but all this “let’s blame him” crap is a waste of time if we don’t accept that the system is broken too.
For the record, I thought he was a bit of a dick but clearly a way better proposition than the Baby Trumpkin he opposed.
Exactly this. Labour have made no move under Corbyn to reach out to Middle England, the sort of constituencies you need to win if you want a majority. Add in the fact that they lost 40 seats in Scotland that aren’t coming back for a generation at least (or ever if Scotland gets independence) and they’ve had no plans to find 40 more to replace them.
We’re still waiting to see what the Russians have in store for us, but it will be very difficult for Trump to win with just over 40% of the total vote.
3rd parties (e.g. Greens) will still be a threat to the world in marginal states (e.g. Michigan) but it’s difficult to see how voters opposed to Trump would be opposed to the Dem nominee to the exent that voters in the UK were opposed to Corbyn.
If your only source of information was a newsletter published by Gargamel, odds are you wouldn’t be a Papa Smurf fan, no matter how critical you were of what you read. And if you don’t have access to more conscientious reporting, that’s the best you can do.
Corbyn may be an objectively bad candidate for PM. I’ll never know and neither will you, because the media vetoed him. That is going to keep happening until we learn to see how we’ve outsourced our opinions to a small, unpleasant group of upper-middle-class editors.
