Holy American Exceptionalism, Batman, let’s unpack some of the underlying “givens” that allow for your bizarre, offensive GOP-soup of Socratic bullshit*, shall we? I’m replying to this first comment, but grabbing some of my faves from some of the others replies, as some stuff ramped up rather un-ignorably…
No. Just because you don’t see others here asking these “practical” questions, doesn’t mean they haven’t been considered. When someone has a different perspective, or a different set of priorities, that isn’t necessarily because they haven’t considered your perspective. These questions have been asked over and over again (hence the “talking points” label) and have answers. The answer in some cases is “who cares? Stop whining.”
I don’t know off-hand, you haven’t supplied a shred of evidence to back up what you claim here. And whose educational outcomes are you comparing them to? White, native-born isolated unskilled laborers ghettoized into underserved neighborhoods with underfunded schools? Other people with a three-headed beast of a language barrier, racism, and poverty to overcome? Other people who went into deep, illegal debt, and risked their health and lives to tear themselves away from their family and friends to give their children a better life? That would be approaching fair. So what, then is the cause of this “achievement gap?” Something innate? that would be the only justification for your claims here.
Yikes, so your vision of the world consists of walled gardens of North American/Western European countries, surrounded by violent,bloodthirsty, barbarian hordes pressing against the outer walls, trying to break in and rape and pillage? What proportion of immigrants crossing our borders do you think is bloodthirsty pirates? any more than the proportion of violent people who are born here? do you think there is something inherently violent about “foreigners?”
Is no one saying that? People who generally have liberal immigration beliefs don’t hold other countries to this standard? Citation needed. If you’re talking about the small (albeit influential) group of hard-line Israel single-issue-voters in the U.S., well, stop extrapolating.
Suffering? What are we suffering? Other human beings who were born somewhere else now living and working here? I fail to see how that means anyone in the U.S. is suffering. Maybe a loss of privilege, a loss of complete control, or an illusion of control of the shape of the cultural on this particular mass of land that we occupy, but complaining about a loss of privilege as “suffering” is a bit whiny…
Wow. Damn. Let’s get this straight. “We” didn’t produce shit. you didn’t produce shit. The founding fathers and mothers, a lot of freely available (if you’re up for some Injun killin’!), arable land, and a series of accidents and coincidences of geography and history created this “civilization.” You didn’t produce this place, It created you. All you had to do was be born here, and being born somewhere is something we all did, so you can stop patting yourself on the back. I don’t know how you can say this shit without hearing how inherently racist this statement is.
In sociology (what am I some kind of Frankfurt school nut!) there’s a concept called social reproduction that describes the process by which institutions and structures confer advantage across generations to those on the inside, to the exclusion of those on the outside. You actually seem to be proposing this as an active strategy, and as an explanation of our greatness. Your arguments suggest that being selective about entry of immigrants is what made this nation great, which is not only the opposite of the history of America, it would also be a pretty weak central principle. Social Reproduction also is what creates aristocracy, the force that is, by many, that is considered anathema to the American Dream. Preserving one’s own privilege by protecting the inheritance of resources is what defines an aristocracy. Your economic/political philosophy would make us global aristocrats.
Your hand waving to try to be rid of the problems of colonization ignore critical realities. Our “success” as a nation has depended on subjugating people from all over the world (slavery being only the most egregious example…) to say that we some kind of right to guard the fruits of this exploitation is just laughable on it’s face. We still benefit from cheap and abusive labor overseas and within our arbitrary national boundaries. To extend this to the idea that we shouldn’t have to compete for jobs with foreign labor is the same bullshit, different day. What has any native born American done to deserve first crack at a job here? And are you saying American’s wouldn’t be able to compete? Then maybe they don’t deserve them in the first place…
On a “practical level” if you think poor, unskilled people entering into richer countries is a problem, the more humane, permanent and effective solution is to support polices that elevate the economies of all nations. Push factors are far more powerful than pull factors when it comes to immigration. Even Barbarian hordes get homesick. Give people a reason to stay in their motherland, and they will, long before the playing field is anywhere near even. Part of supporting this equalization is allowing people to come here to blossom, send money back home, while working hard and paying taxes as part of the legitimate economy, lifting themselves, and those in their own country out of oppressive poverty.
*don’t tone argument me, you may have dressed your comments up in politeness, but their content is pretty heinous.