The first one.
I won’t be staying home, I will be voting blue, no matter who.
If you want Trump another 4 years, keep this up.
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Well I know, I understand that perfectly. I’m not asking “why”, I’m pointing out that a guy like Joe doesn’t understand why. I was just giving that as an example. There are a million other rules like that. Look at all the rules about the use of the N-word for example. I get it. I don’t expect someone like Joe to get it, because when he was growing up none of these rules existed. There were other rules that did exist that are now gone, thankfully, and we also look at those rules with some degree of incomprehensibility. Well, he’s probably struggling to comprehend a lot of things also.
And his age and obvious mental decline are an excuse. I forgive him. But just because we might forgive an old man for not speaking the way people are expected to speak today, doesn’t mean he’s ok to be the Democratic nominee.
How altruistic of you.
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Thank you. But seriously think of it… he grew up 60 years ago, in an America that was pre-civil rights movement. When he was born in 1942, homosexuality was still a crime. Abortion was illegal. Schools were legally segregated. Housing was legally segregated. Non-whites were not allowed to immigrate. Miscegenation (even the word sounds painful today) was a crime. Gay marriage was decades away. There were no transgenders because they were called transvestites, and it was a crime, at least if they tried to use the bathroom that matched their gender. In fact gender didn’t exist, there was just sex and there were exactly two of them. Plenty of towns probably in his area where he lived were “sundown towns”. No one got fired for using the n-word. Employment discrimination was considered normal. The military was segregated. I could go on. It’s a world that’s incomprehensible to us today. Someone was a sharp and agile mind could navigate all these changes but that’s not Joe.
I 100% expect he will not be the nominee. The convention hasn’t happened yet, the delegates have not voted. He might be pressured into withdrawing, or there’s probably some procedure within the long set of rules of the Democratic party that would allow a brokered convention and allow the delegates to switch their votes. I don’t know who the nominee will be. I don’t think it will be Bernie because while he’s mentally a lot sharper than Joe, he’s not on the Stacey Abrams track, which is where the nominee needs to be for today’s Democratic campaign. So I don’t know who the nominee will be but I’m quite sure it’s not going to be Joe. Because he can’t navigate the racial and other identity issues he needs to navigate, as proven in this gaffe and many many others. And because everyone can see he’s in mental decline.
Oh, this bullshit again. No, actually. This is entirely wrong. Civil rights did not start with Rosa Parks and Dr. King. It’s existed in one form or another from before the founding of the country. As soon as the constitution was written, African Americans were challenging unfair laws in the courts and they were rebelling against their enslavement and second class citizenship.
And contrary to popular views, white Americans were aware of this and some even supported the aims of civil rights movements (and more actively opposed it or ignored it). Race has always shaped American politics from the very beginning.
Biden isn’t ignorant of that. He was elected to the Senate in 1973, that’s well past the shift to support civil rights in the democratic party, which happened pretty formally under the Kennedy and Johnson administrations.
So, you’re wrong on history and you’re wrong on what Joe Biden knows about race relations in the US. He KNOWS better. He’s not as ignorant as you’re claiming.
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And nor are many other members of his generation.
(And yes to the rest of that dropped knowledge!)
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And many of them are still in charge, too, some have evolved in their thinking, others have not. But it’s not like they did not LIVE through the changes of the 1960s and 1970s, and they were able to change along with the times, quite often, in some cases, only outwardly, it’s true.
People don’t 18 fully formed and never change. That’s just not how people work.
For the democratic party, they need to do better on race issues and really fight for what many of their constituents want (black and white), which is meaningful reform on issues that they fucked up in the first place (90s crime bills, which were part of reconstructing a new, less obvious Jim Crow system that operated on race AND class). The democratic party under Clinton were part of building that and they need to be part of dismantling it.
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You mean they need to keep changing the rules so that the well-meaning white folks just never get a chance to catch up with the whole game?
/s
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If one isn’t able to grow and adapt to the inevitable changes that happen in a growing and living society… Then one is not fit to govern that society. I’m not sure why I should feel sorry for him or sympathize at all if that is the case. It just kind of sucks for the people of the US really.
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We are doing cognitive backflips now to hold the two ideas in our heads together, that Joe Biden is a great candidate whom a responsible political party would nominate for president but is also so impaired and out-of-it that it would be inappropriate to scrutinize his behavior too closely, like we’re visiting great-grandpa at the memory-care home
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“Excuses are the tools of the incompetent,
Manufactured reasons for one’s conduct…”
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Uh my thank you was also sarcastic but I didn’t make that clear enough.
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There’s not, unless he withdraws, or doesn’t get 50% of the committed delegates between now and the end of the primaries. At the convention the delegates on the floow could vote a rule change, but again that won’t happen if over 50% of the delegates are committed to Biden.
Short of some kind of catastrophe (eg, death), Biden will be the nominee
not on the Stacey Abrams track, which is where the nominee needs to be for today’s Democratic campaign.
Even if it could happen (which it can’t), you seriously think the person the DNC would dump Biden in favor of is Stacey Abrams? That she’s the secret favorite of the party leadership, for whom they’re willing to direct all their conspiratorial energy?
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Biden was born in 1942. So was Harrison Ford and Aretha Franklin and Bob Ross and Stephen Hawking and Jerry Garcia and a whole bunch of other people who somehow managed to avoid saying embarrassing crap like this all the time. Suggesting the people born in the 1940s can’t be expected to do better than this is utter nonsense.
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And John Brown was born in 1800.
There have been people who objected to white supremacy from the moment that whiteness was invented. Age is no excuse.
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Absolutely late to the party here. But it’s the weekend and what else am I going to do but dictate into the comment section on another dull quarantined Sunday night…
I’m surprised nobody mentioned the name of this interviewer, calls himself “Tha God“. I’ve never heard of him, and I actually find this more offensive than anything Joe said. Red flags about this already jumping out.
So I watch the clip, this is like some slang bullshit and a trap in my opinion. Let’s not over analyze it. Joe is going along with the vibe of the show. He cracks a joke and people pounce. The interviewer didnt seem to care and was pretty quick to move the conversation along. And now people want to jump down Joe’s throat? So he hasn’t laid out a plan specifically about race. What candidate has? Trump??? This whole topic is like splitting hairs that don’t exist. Joe is old, Trump is disgusting. If that’s the choices we got, whether you are black white yellow brown green etc., it is probably good to pick the non-idiot. You know, the one that doesn’t promote/joke about drinking bleach. That little nugget stretches across all racial boundaries!
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