Justice Department sues Hobby Lobby over thousands of looted Iraqi artifacts it bought

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Hobby Lobby supports ISIS. (Because it’s ISIS who’s running the artifact trade right now.) Who knew?

Hmmm…

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Seriously. I remember about two years ago I went to Germany with a choir for a concert. My German being rusty, in order to brush up my aural comprehension of the language, I decided to listen to the radio as I was walking around and shopping in Saarbrücken prior to the concert, and what I ended up picking was a report on Daesh’s involvement in antiques trafficking. This really is old news.

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This is ever older news. Ever since the the American-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 people reported about this, including the looting of museums and now unprotected sites.

Everything remotely ancient out of that region is tainted, no way around it.

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It’s a feature, not a bug.

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Maybe they were hoping to find a tablet with the story of Noah the dinosaur-riding gladiator.

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Vs being destroyed or a private collection - yes that is a silver lining.

And while it was private, it was probably non-profit.

I’ve worked for a private museum and it is considered the 2nd best space museum on earth. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Those objects aren’t lost, are protected, and if they were looted, right there for someone to figure out and fix.

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You’re not thinking like a billionaire.


You, of all people, @Mister44

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Their website and wikipedia page both repeatedly state that the museum will be “non-sectarian, non-political, and it will not proselytize”. But their list of planned exhibits includes:

  • 40-foot tall bronze doors depicting the creation story from Genesis
  • an entire floor focusing on the Bible’s impact on the world “including its profound influence on fine arts, science, government, music, film and more.”
  • another floor depicting the entire story of the Bible
  • a kids’ area called Courageous Pages, “packed with biblical stories of people who dug deep and did what they believed was right, even in the face of fear or opposition.”

[insert you_keep_using_that_word.gif]

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So this is what it means to be a "Christian"™ businessman - steal health care from female employees so you can use that money to commit international crime and finance terrorism. If there is a God, He should make note of the fact that the family which owns Hobby Lobby deserves an epidemic of eye cancer.

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LOL. But I am not a billionaire. If I could afford a crate of clay tablets, THEN maybe I’d shoot some of the crappier ones for funn.

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Indeed. The only time I ever had a comment trolled was on Hobby Lobby’s vaginal interference plan, on Disqus, and the two-legged cockroaches went wild upon the keyboards. I noted that I would now drive fifteen miles to Michaels to get my framing done: troll questioned my ecological commitment (I live at my workplace and drive an electric vehicle for short trips) and then…Hobby Lobby built a store across from Michaels in Ft. O.
Trolling? Forced birth? Buying Isis loot? They are cheap crooks and proved it.

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Eh, you can still do all three with such exhibits. I guess it depends on your threshold of “proselytize”. I’d rather have exhibits like that vs the Creationist museum that has a very, very one sect view point.

But I’ve been to the Vatican and the cathedrals of Italy and seen lots of religious artifacts retelling parts of the bible that weren’t politicized or sectarian. Even if you aren’t a believer, there is a 2000 years of Christian history which DID shape our world, and even more of Jewish history which also shaped it.

If it wasn’t for the fact these were looted in modern day, I wouldn’t have an issue with it.

(Although, lots of National Museums have “looted” items from conquests and wars and other things. The British National Museum has an amazing collection from around the world, and it wasn’t all just donated ;))

Fun story - my favorite part was seeing Galileo’s tomb in a church. I asked one of the people there, “Wasn’t he excommunicated at the time?”

“Yes.”

“So how did he get a tomb in the cathedral?”

“The Medici family paid to have him there.”

“Huh, so I guess they had more money than God?”

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Sure, and don’t get me wrong, I’m fascinated by Biblical history and would love to see the artifacts that have been legitimately donated (although where the donors got them, well, that might still be super sketchy). But it’s a huge, six-floor museum, and only one floor will have artifacts to view; the rest is devoted to interactive exhibits about the ways the Bible has affected popular culture, government, and history, and in their words, “presents the facts” about things like morality and creationism and “lets the viewer decide”. That sounds like straight-up proselytizing to me, but hey, it’s a private museum, they can tell whatever story they want to tell.

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Ironically, the tablets detail the Babylonian’s blood-curdling penalties for people caught scrapbooking, making macrame, or using glitter-glue.

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Yes. What was the posited “business use” for these items? Were they going to sell them to crafters? Decorate the corporate headquarters? Because if there wasn’t a business use, than this was probably also a violation of IRS rules.

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WWJD?

Seems Jesus would loot and plunder!!

the standard corporate non-apology

Be nice if they held their breath,

Be nice if DHS looked at that, but since it’s a corporation, nothing will be done.

Still a rumor could be spread on the right wing sites about how Hobby Lobby is going Muslim and supporting ISIS.

AMERICA!!!

America Christians…

It will be right next to the Ark outside so that people can see how the animals were saved!

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Really? I thought when you used an organization to commit crimes like this it was called Racketeering.

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Fun story indeed, but it has a minor problem: Galileo wasn’t excommunicated. He had to refrain from teaching his “heresy” and was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life.

Also, excommunication is explicitly intended to be revokable - it should be absolved when the offender repents. That’s even true for automatic excommunication, like performing or getting abortions. It’s even in the discretion of the judge to reinstate the excommunicated if he interprets something as a sign of repenting.

Oh, fun fact: Giving an excommunicated person an ecclesial burial is an offense worthy of excommunication. I wonder if the Medici family had enough money to bribe someone to take that risk.

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