Citation given in the post you replied to, and fact obvious from experience and easily testable.
You mean your citation is that youâre quoting yourself?
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No, I mean what I said. One citation was in the post you replied to. I canât get through paywalls but there have to be more studies out there.
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I didnât read the whole report so I didnât find the page where it says âthe stomach rejects anything without enough carbsâ so please include the page number. I did find this sentence in the abstract though; Rates of nausea and vomiting in pregnancy were correlated with high intake of macronutrients (kilocalories, protein, fat, carbohydrate, as well as sugars, stimulants, meat, milk and eggs [emphasis added]"
Either way, that is a report about pregnancy, which lots of people are, but there are lots of things that happen to the body during pregnancy that are not typical for nonpregnant people.
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Did you just claim that @MarjaE has bulimia because of carbs and vomting? You do know that all forms of puking are not bulimia, that itâs a specific psychological issue?
Also, this:
I donât think thatâs alarmist, only pointing out that not everyoneâs bodies work the sameâŠ
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No. I didnât. Read the thread above.
Alarmist is saying
Note she didnât say her stomach.
Scotch pies are the tits.
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⊠And I still havenât heard any explanation of why anyone elseâs stomach would behave completely differently than mine. Perhaps someone might have less baseline nausea, or might not require as many carbs, or might be able to handle a wider range of carbs [for example, lactose induces vomiting for some people; too much lactose, fructose, and sucrose can easily be a problem, even if too little of other carbs is also a problem], but there would still be issues with trying to eat with no carbs. Honestly, this is like being told that objects naturally fall to the sky.
I know that everyoneâs needs are different. I have allergies, so it is pretty obvious there. I have fructose mal, too, so I canât handle certain carbs. But with the ketogenic diet, either it is going to be dangerous for some people, or many people, or all people, and advocating it without considering that is also dangerous.
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Nope. Not in my (2+ years ketogenic diet) experience. Unless by âthe right amount of carbsâ you mean almost none at all? Iâve had steak and eggs for every meal with no complaints. I havenât vomited in years.
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I donât disagree that for some people it could be dangerous. Certainly anyone entertaining it should do thorough research, and monitor themselves carefully. The article suggests that it should be done under a doctor supervision.
@MarjaE did point out in the post that this was their experiences with low carb diets, not everyones. Iâm finding a hard time finding it alarmist. It might work for you, or others, but not everyone. there is no panacea, because everyoneâs bodies are different and need different things.
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Itâs not even a matter of diets. Itâs a matter of individual meals.
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Anyway, this thesis also states that the MCT diet [a form of ketogenic diet] âis associated with several GI side effects including nausea, abdominal cramps occasionai vomiting, and diarrheaâ ⊠I havenât read it in full, and I am surprised that the vomiting would be only occasional, but it could involve varying sensitivity.
http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/obj/s4/f2/dsk1/tape9/PQDD_0004/MQ46131.pdf
Iâve been on such a diet for six months, and I have no plans to go off it. Iâd encourage self-experimenters at least to read several sources to become aware of deficiencies that can arise once such a dietary change is made. The authors referenced below (Phinney & Volek; Jaminet) are a good start I think.
I have been warned off complete starch restriction by this article, even if authors Phinney and Volek suggest consuming starch will drive ketone levels down. I seem to be realising significant benefits (mood, metabolism, waistline) while consuming 3/4 of a cup of rice every evening (I am a 75kg male).
Someone mentioned epilepsy above. In fact ketogenic diets are interesting for a range of chronic neurological conditions. The reason is that KDs change brain metabolism - the brain starts to run predominantly on fats instead of sugars - and this can be powerfully therapeutic.
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The liver problems might be related to excess protein. Most studies seem to support that low-carb diets should tend more toward high-fat than high-protein for optimal health benefits.
Aaaaand Iâll stop here before things get too uncivil, as they tend to. Itâs actually taking a lot longer than usual for these subjects in this context.
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Its like an old (60s or 70s) diet famous in Poland.
The diet is called âDoctor Kwasniewskiâs dietâ or recently âOptimal Dietâ. It was developed by Jan Kwasniewski MD.
You must eat ridiculous amounts of fat.
For example an sandwich:
- 3 mm bread
- 3 cm butter
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An ilustration with principal idea of this diet.
11,8% proteins
9,7 % carbs
78,5%!!! fat
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No, she did not. She only made that qualification in a subsequent post.
Like, literally.
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Is that really a 78,5% butter and bacon diet? Iâm in.
