By all means, rewrite the chronology as best suits your evolving argument. Nice try again, I guess. Just incase you’re as bad at scrolling up as you are at making coherent arguments, here is what you wrote:
The two comments you referred to were more than 2 hours apart. Maybe if you’re talking about other comments you should quote those, hm?
Protip: If the title of my post contradicts the body of the post I may be joking. It’s also pretty obviously a joke considering I included a screenshot of boingboing.net rendered in a way that was clearly not the designers intention.
I’m just going to take issue with this again: A complaint that was made before fully viewing or using the redesigned site.
The complaint was made in reference to what was being presented at boingboing.net at the time. I included a screenshot because it was clearly not what the designers intended and there was a high probability it wasn’t staying that way for long. That’s why jlw said the wait a minute thing.
at a certain point it’s not my problem that you can’t express yourself in a way that avoids confusion.
Gee, I can’t think of anyone else who has been unclear in their message and expected others to understand. jlw got exactly what I was saying and his was the first reply. Strange that 2 days later you’re still having trouble.
Sorry. Really don’t like the new design. It makes the whole blog harder not easier to read. Is there any chance at all that you would consider changing back?
Yep, not liking the new look. I have given it a chance but in my opinion its a little to cluttered and confusing on the eyes. Maybe ugly is to strong a word, but its far from a nice visual experience. I’ve not had a problem with most of the other design updates over the years but this one just doesn’t do it for me. I thought Gawker (io9 and the like) went down this root a couple years ago and it ended badly? Maybe I’m not remembering correctly.
It’s all a misunderstanding then - I thought you were aiming those comments
at me as well as those two. I appreciate what you’re saying, anything
specialized is difficult for laymen to fully parse everything that goes
into it.
Doesn’t change my opinions, I think it’s a shitty looking design – but all
credit to them for keeping the older version, pro-actively acknowledging
not everyone would want it. It would be so refreshing if more groups /
companies did things like that.
Sorry to be so reactionary in my response. I should have taken a deep
breath and reread the posts before hitting send.
Are you? You seem sure of a lot of what other people intend, mean, will do, think, and want. Speak for yourself please and maybe other people will be less aggressive back.
In case it wasn’t obvious, “I’m sure… Right?” in this case (as in most) should be interpreted as “These folks are clever and so I presume and hope that … But if they haven’t already thought of that, please take this as a suggestion.”
We should try not take offense where none was intended, especially when it’s a good suggestion phrased politely.
(FWIW, BB itself is off my reading list for now, and this is the only conversation I’m looking at on the BBS. No threats, no promises, no complaints, just an observation about how strongly the change affected my behavior. Whoever the target audience was, I’m not it.)
I agree with this–I find the new format harder to grok in terms of chronology, and the logic of the relationship between the left and right columns, if there is a logic, escapes me.
Now I’ve bothered to read the thread, and see the http://boingboing.net/page/1 trick. I’m glad that exists, and will use it. I don’t get why the new front page was chosen over the /page/1 look, but hey, it’s not my site, and if I complain too much teapot will get mad at me.
My reproach was, at worst, at the same level of aggression as Teapot’s comment that preceded it. I didn’t infer something that wasn’t there; his/her dismissive “if you haven’t done x you can’t speak about x” was plain as day, and has been reiterated several times subsequently. It was, and remains, a ludicrous argument in the context of a thread that had evolved into a discussion of end-user responses to a product. Actually, it’s almost always a bad argument. I’d rather be having that one, though, instead of the one we seem to be stuck in (timelines, how sarcasm works, etc.)…
No. No, I’m not . That’s why there was a question mark after the word, “right.” What I was doing there was admitting my lack of knowledge of how the folks who design and administer bbs make their decisions, and suggesting that they listen to the data, if they can/wish to.
Maybe a little passive, I guess. Certainly not aggressive. And utterly unconnected to exchange you’re chiding me for.
Look, you and I clearly have a dynamic developing. I think it’s personal (weirdly personal), so I’m going to take it to a personal message. The only further “public” statement I’ll make to you regarding tone is the following: I have a posting history on bbs, and on boingboing pre-bbs. My ratio of constructive discussion to aggressive snark is there for anyone to see, and I think that it’s a pretty good ratio.
I’m not making an “evolving” argument, at all. There were two points
to my initial criticism. Neither has changed. The first was that
your apparent stance on the issue seemed to switch violently, in mid
thread. Alright, I was “wrong” on that point (a problem inherent to
trying to read multi-layer sarcasm on the internet). The second
point – and the one I was more interested in pursuing – was that
telling someone their end-user opinion is invalid (regardless of
buzzword deployment) is kind of ridiculous, in the context of a
discussion of end-user opinions. (You may not have intended to have
the thread go in that direction, but I’m puzzled as to what your
goal actually was, if that’s the case. To show everyone you can take
a screen shot?)
I think you are conflating “evolving argument” with “shifting the goalposts.” Generally speaking, I don’t see a problem with the former. Isn’t that kind of how arguments get resolved? As for the latter, I think picking nits about timelines, and demanding a hand-held journey through your own first three-or-so comments actually fits that definition a lot more closely than anything I’m doing.
Gee, I can’t think of anyone else who has been unclear in their message and expected others to understand. Maybe no one else cared about my comment enough to misunderstand it. They’re the only ones who’d have an excuse. How could you possibly not get my reference (to be clear, a reference that was written out fairly clearly, although not with a direct quote)? Were you unaware that you’d reentered the thread, with a new, non-sarcastic/non-jokey opinion? Strange that 2 days later you’re still having trouble. Strange that two days later is when I started reading the thread, I’d say. See, the redesign was so obnoxious that I hadn’t basically been unable to stomach returning to boingboing until the shock wore off.
Protip: The term, “protip” is sort of played out and definitely irritating. (Whoops.) So is the term, “piece,” while I’m at it. Not that you used it. It just bugs me. Buzzwords, man!
I’m going to leave this analogy here, in case you are interested in engaging on my second, “meatier” point (I chose the setting because it reflects the hyper-critical, elitist club I hail from): Imagine a restaurant dining room. A server asks a patron a variation of the typical, “Everything good, here?” (Or maybe my personal favorite, “How excellent is everything?”) The patron has complaints about her food: It tasted bland; there was grit on the mushrooms; and now her stomach feels kind of sick. The server blanches internally; the chef worked hard on the patron’s meal, and will be hurt and irritated that she didn’t like it. Additionally, if the situation is not expertly handled, the restaurant may lose a customer. Suddenly, another customer – an off-duty chef, as it happens – storms up to the table, loudly telling the patron that she has no idea what she’s talking about, as she has never worked in foodservice. How can she know the mushrooms were gritty, if she hasn’t prepared them?! How can she know that the meal was bland, if she didn’t add the seasonings, herself?! Now everyone in the dining room is annoyed and embarrassed. How does Diner #2’s from-authority tirade change Diner #1’s initial, subjective opinion of the quality of her meal? Does it in any way increase the chances of her returning to a restaurant that has already disappointed? And ultimately, how does it help the working chef prepare a better meal for the next table? Who are you in this analogy?
Apparently I’m not alone in finding the new layout… unpleasant.
I “boing” multiple times a day - this week, I’ve pretty much stopped using the site all together.
Hat tip upon hat tip to this jem from above: http://boingboing.net/page/1
that I can read - and will read a little later. It’ll be nice to read BB for the first time this week.
Just throwing in a $.02 just in case there is a global balance of love v hate to see if we keep the new layout. HATE.
If you were behind the new layout, don’t take the HATE to heart. It’s not you, it’s us - the more streamlined, the easier it is to read == better. Pretty - I’m not reading BB because the site is pretty, I’m here for content. I’d be perfectly happy if the entire site was enclosed in PRE tags.
