And they’re not complaining they they don’t get to go back. They’re complaining for being jailed for upsetting a rock.
Come On. Staaaaahp it. Get a real hobby.
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None of these things warrant being scapegoated and punished for superstitious claptrap.
I wonder how many local ministers jobs have been saved by the fortuitous appearance of these aliens?
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Literally anyone can click through to see your “How does it sound” was not in response to the jailing, but in response to the expulsion and bar. And so you quickly change the subject when you’re called out on it?
You go “Get a real hobby”, yet you’re the one super transparently driving trollies.
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Wut?
Dude. They’re upset because they’re still there, well after their vacation should have ended, because voodoo.
The Straits Times reported that a local tribal priest, known as the Bobolian, was demanding the tourists be fined 10 head of buffalo to appease the spirit of the mountain.
You’re on the side of reason? Examine your goals here.
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@AcerPlatanoides and @dragonchild12: Agree to disagree and stop replying to each other.
I suppose everyone is entitled to their own facts. 
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Absolutely. If people are sanctimoniously proclaiming that nothing is sacred, I expect them to apply that standard to themselves.
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i’ve read this entire thread several times, no one has argued that. they have argued that racism and disrespecting a culture and disrespecting a religious site are entirely different things which is true. race != culture != specific religion, conflating those is pretty bad. no one has argued that disrespecting other people for whatever reason is cool behavior, people have argued what constitutes disrespecting which of course is very relevant to this conversation.
if you understand the points being made, most the people here have largely made good points on all different sides and aspects of this multifaceted issue…so it would appear that the arguments being made here are much more nuanced and insightful then “atheist dudebros” who are racist advocating disrespecting other peoples religious sites, imho. ironically, there is a lot of actual bigotry in those incorrect assumptions.
we can hope that they are just fined, or banned from the country, or have to slaughter 20 buffalo and deliver their heads to the mountains, but there are statements from high up that they might face charges that are much much more serious then that. are they guilty of being disrespectful? perhaps. possibly even likely. did they cause an earthquake and numerous deaths? absolutely not. are they being made scapegoats for a superstition? unfortunately.
throwing people into a volcano to stop it from erupting isn’t an appropriate response in the modern world, regardless of historical cultural or religious precedents.
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There were a bunch of people acting inappropriately on a religious site - acting in a way that would be inappropriate to do IN PUBLIC, even on a non-religious site, and when told not to do that began to scream obscenities.
And you want to argue that this isn’t being disrespectful?
The ONLY reason people are defending this behavior is because it’s against a culture that’s not their own, so they get to laugh at it. From what I’ve read, there seems to be no actual threat about charging these people with murder - unless you’re totally willing to believe that the US is also going to charge every gay person ever with murder? These new stories are playing into racist hysteria by taking a few scattered quotes and acting like it’s guaranteed to happen, or even that’s what IS happening.
Edit: Just because some people have problems reading, or are attempting to be deliberately dishonest, I’m not suggesting being gay causes murder - just that being gay in the US has ALSO been argued to be the cause of earthquakes, hurricanes, diseases, etc. There was even a person who tried to sue every single gay person. Yet we treated it as an individual to dismiss, and not “Look how backwards the US is, earnestly talking about jailing people just for being gay”.
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Their behavior might have been disrespectful, they might have offended their guide and been rude. No one is arguing that isn’t the case. read please. “Nudity doesn’t offend a mountain” or “human nudity in and of itself shouldn’t be considered shameful/disrespectful” isn’t condoning rude behavior or their specific actions.
People aren’t arguing what you think they are arguing. You probably shouldn’t go around calling everyone racist when you haven’t bothered to understand what they are actually saying or what racism means. You’ve painted some pretty broad brush strokes and made some pretty blanket statements about a very diverse group of commenters, while claiming that they are doing the same thing, which is disrespectful.
wow. just wow. 
being gay doesn’t result in any deaths, nor does it carry a mandatory death penalty in the USA. I can’t believe I’m even responding to anyone who would make such a statement.
If these tourists are charged with causing the earthquake which lead to numerous deaths, that DOES carry a mandatory death penalty in malaysia, one of the few countries with mandatory death penalties for certain crimes.
The Deputy Chief Minister has made several statements that he intends to charge them with causing the earthquake. People are simply discussing his direct statements.
The ONLY racist hysteria here, is (ahem) the person running around yelling that everyone is racist for discussing this, or conflating race, culture, and a specific religion. Not every Malaysian holds these beliefs, not every malaysian is the same race, not everyone who holds these beliefs is the same race, etc. It is really poor form to accuse the commenters here who have a long history of standing up against racism with such henious and unfounded accusations when you apparently don’t even understand what racism is.
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But yet there were people - quoted by the news! - who claimed that being gay results in earthquakes, spreads diseases, and actually tried to sue every single gay person in existence.
So is it fair to talk about how every gay person was at risk for being put into jail? Why or why not? Is a headline of “US says gays cause earthquakes, talks about legal penalties to all of them.” ? Does that seem like a fair headline to you? What about the guy who said that there should be a concentration camp for gay people - would you be ok with headlines of “US blames public degeneracy on gays, talk about setting up concentration camp” ? If that doesn’t seem like a fair headline to you, why is the boingboing one?
If there was a headline saying “Drunks arrested after they streak through graveyard, scream obscenities at mourners”, would you be saying how it was SO UNFAIR that they were arrested because tombstones don’t know if people were naked, or would you see that as disturbing the peace, public indecency, and the other crimes it is?
Also, do you not see the irony in trying to lecture me about how this isn’t racism because " Not every Malaysian holds these beliefs", when the headline literally just says “Malaysia blames…” ?
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And if any of them were in government and wanted to charge people with causing those things, you better believe that everyone here would be just as outraged and speak up just as loudly. Sanity != racism. Why would people who condone certain behaviors flip 180 and be for them in a different scenario? they wouldn’t that is as faulty of reasoning as it gets.
Because they weren’t every threatened with that. It is conflating two very very different scenarios. One can be outraged at ignorance and bigotry where ever it rears its head, that doesn’t make one racist. The same people making the arguments here, would argue the same thing if your hypothetical but never happened scenario occurred in the USA. Your contention that they are “ONLY” arguing because it is another culture is dead wrong. Many of us aren’t even from the USA. geeze.
you really don’t seem to understand what people are arguing here.
not ironic at all. has anyone in this discussion who you are accusing of racism defended the headline?
you keep calling people making very nuanced and intelligent points “atheist” “racists”. not cool.
i didn’t create the headline. i agree that it is blanket statement and would be more accurate if it said something like: “malaysian government official releases statement that he intends to charge naked selfie tourists with causing an earthquake. tourists prevented from leaving country pending charges.”
but again no one in this discussion created nor has defended the headline or making blanket statements, so making blanket statements about them is uncalled for, it would be uncalled for even if they did because compounding an issue never improves it.
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I have no strong opinion on the jerks-vs-mentals controversy, but one thing I do know: when I click on a link about earthquake-causing naked heretics, I expect to see some goddamn naked heretic dong. You can’t even see nipples in those pictures. I feel sickened.
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Probably? Is that a guess?
The British never had a law against fellatio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labouchere_Amendment
Nope. That’s Malaysia’s very own fucked-up ridiculous shit law.
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I just want to make sure I understand you 100% clear, especially as you keep saying I’m misreading - you’re claiming that if a bunch of drunk streakers ran through a cemetery hurling obscenities, you’d be against them being arrested, and say that the cops were being “disrespectful about the human body”. Correct?
“Why Hinduism is bad”? Oh joy.
And to clarify my point more clearly - there’s been a LOT of people in this thread who have gone beyond just attacking the “they caused the earthquake” folk, and attacked everyone of that belief system and culture. And that’s really disgusting.
If they end up getting charged for murder, sure, I’ll be up in arms, but right now this is condemnation and mockery of a different culture based on what some guy said according to what are barely more than tabloid pieces.
It absolutely is, and the right way to go about that is to address this in your own culture, not to go to some foreign culture you don’t understand and address this on their sacred mountain.
I’m absolutely in favour of reclaiming our bodies as normal, claiming the right to be nude, and exercising this right whenever we feel it’s appropriate.
However, to travel to a foreign culture to impose your values on them, before you’ve even accepted them back home, that’s pretty hypocritical. What’s more, telling them they need to respect nudity is just as colonialist as our previous generations telling them to cover up.
Maybe we should let them figure out their own culture while we still haven’t figured out ours. Don’t fight out your cultural battles on their turf.
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Yeah good eye, their title not mine. edit fix
You must have missed all the earlier contributions.
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