I just love it when people come running up to my face with a camera demanding things. I know whenever I need to get calm, straight forward answers this is the best method to use.
So, no warrantâŚhow is this not criminal trespass?
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While I do in fact eat pork but not dog, and therefore tacitly agree, Iâm not sure I should agree. After all, pigs are extremely intelligent animals, probably the smartest of all livestockâŚ
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Yeah but he wasnât trying to get straight-forward answers. He was trying to express how wrong it is that his dog should be shot dead just for being a dog in the backyard of his humanâs house. He was voicing his outrage that the very atrocity that was already so evident on YouTube, that was already a known problem that we all know needs addressing, should actually happen to him and his dog. He was intentionally violating the social norms about how one interacts with law enforcement, making the point that this police behavior nullifies any claim to privileged status or moral authority. And he was speaking for a lot of us.
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I just love it when people jump into my back yard and fucking shoot my fucking dog. I find thatâs the best way to get me to help them find a lost kid.
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This is happening way too often. Thereâs even a movie. Puppycide.com.
The extreme irony is that in the past few months, two cops were fired within 24 hours after shooting dogs, one a cattle dog in Texas and another pet in Florida. These cops were fired without delay, but, shoot a black teenager, you get desk duty and all the protections the so-called âcop bill of rightsâ affords.
p.s. Iâve had cops come through my yard twice in the past 20 years, my dog Hollis wasnât here but he would have barked at them. What would those Oakland cops have done?
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In the least, there should be an end to the hypocrisy in which killing a police dog is treated like murder, but the police killing your dog is fine because theyâre cops with guns and they said they felt threatened, even if they shouldnât have been there and the dog only reacted because it felt threatened by a stranger. Pretending that non-police dogs are supposed to know not to growl, bark, or charge a police officer is absolutely absurd. There have been too many stories of cops shooting dogs for stupid, unjustifiable reasons. This is definitely one of them.
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I agree with you, I just donât want to see dogs punished because of humans.
As to the dogâs perspective: Some human carrying a gun invades your territory, your natural instinct is to defend your territory. I canât imagine the dog didnât bark at the police officer. At the very least, he should have taken it as a sign, and realized the dog is protecting his territory. He should have just backed off, and closed the gate behind him.
As to the lost child, he would have faced the same dog and would probably not invade the dogâs territory in the first place.
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I believe he was referring to the human pig. Not the one from the âanimalâ kingdom (and I use quotes here because Iâm not sure who the âanimalâ is anymore).
Strawman. Owning people is not equivalent to the concept of owning animals, nevermind the over generalization about âsome muslim countriesâ.
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It sounds like the dog reacted as youâd expect a dog to react when an intruder comes into its yard. Clearly this officer of the Law isnât trained with enough situational awareness to realize the kid is unlikely to be in a yard with a dog that eats intruders. Also, the officer appears either unqualified to carry a firearm or felt so threatened that he felt killing the dog was his best option.
The owner clearly believes the officer was never in any danger. My dogs will bark and threaten but I doubt they attack anyone who isnât trying to get past them. Nemo is a very fierce wall, but he is clearly on D.
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As much as I like animals and dogs in particular, they arenât people and shouldnât be afforded the same rights as humans. The suggestion that dog ownership and slavery is comparable is preposterous.
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Police have a legitimate interest in going onto private property to search for lost children. Police also have the right to shoot animals in self-defense, if they think the animal is threatening them.
So, if what happened is what the police said happened, then, itâs tragic. The ownerâs outrage is perfectly understandable. And those cops who dealt with him were commendably low-key.
Otherwise, this post is part of what Maggie Koerth-Baker called âthe Outrage-Industrial Complex,â existing in order to feed the outrage. Hell, join the club.
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Yeah it does actually sound like a pretty sweet police force for people with wayward children and no pets.
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I think Seppuku would be a great institution for the United States. Letâs start with Utah.
Not if they created the situation that caused the animal to threaten them, in the same respect that US Border Patrol has been told to stop stepping front of vehicles and thereby putting their lives in danger and thus âjustifyingâ use of deadly force. Cops donât get to create situations and then pretend that their hand was forced in the matter. Should we kill off bees because a cop was stupid enough to look for a lost child in a bee hive?
If the critical thinking to decide to vacate the dogâs territory and have animal control come out and secure the animal in order to facilitate the search was not available to the officer, then he shouldnât be allowed to carry a badge anymore, because next time his lack of critical thinking will involve shooting a kid who is carrying a water pistol and itâll be âokayâ because the officer thought his life was in danger.
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A police officer is not excused from the legal expectation to act reasonably and with care. Excessive force is a one form of police misconduct. It doesnât matter if the officer meant no harm, and then over-reacted. They have the same responsibility as any other citizen to mitigate possible harm.
Section 1983 is the part of U.S. Civil Code that applies to just this circumstance.
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I find myself in the odd position of sympathizing with the officers, to some extent. You donât know what that dog did. Dogs are animals and they can be unpredictable. Do I value a childâs life over a dogâs? Yeah, I do. Would a kidnapper dude have a ferocious dog guarding his house? Sure, could be. Is it possible the officer was acting with the belief that his or the childâs life is in danger? Yes.
I say this as a childless (thank god!) dog owner who does not particularly like cops, and follows their abuse of power avidly. This just sounds like a really shitty situation gone shittier.
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So in your world, all the police could enter all the yards and kill all the dogs because they were trying to find that child. BAH.
If thatâs how they treat dogs Iâd hate to be the kid when they find them.
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