Oh sure, promise me a good time. Will this new country that comes after America actually tax the rich? Have public health care and education like most of the rest of the world? Use the metric system? What are we talking here?
And this is where I can’t make jokes. The next step up is a call to action.
Yes, but with someone like her I don’t see that working. Former guy (obviously) had an action-oriented cult following, but MTG doesn’t, as far as I can tell. She’s a laughing stock even to her own cult, it seems like. That doesn’t mean she isn’t dangerous of course- amplifying the signal of all this hate is a danger in itself, but she seems to be all hat and no cattle otherwise.
A) He hasn’t even been charged yet. I’ve been hearing that charges will be coming any day now since sometime in 2016. I hope it happens this time, but I’m certainly not holding my breath. B) If charges are filed, he’ll have his day in court. If he’s actually innocent … HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…sorry…if he’s actually innocent, since he’s a rich white guy, there’s an excellent chance he’ll actually be found not guilty. Even if he’s guilty, since he’s a rich white guy, there’s way too high a chance he’ll still be found not guilty. In other words, the only way he’s going to be found guilty is if he actually is guilty and the evidence is unassailable.
If this happens, America [as MTG understands it] will be over?!
For her it’s more like Trump Devotion Syndrome.
You know what’s coherent? Lasers!
And we all know who has lasers…
The guy with the truck-mounted laser!
Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who’s the nastiest tro|| of all?
If 45 is charged, tried and convicted, it means the rule of law still exists in the US. EmptyG can go pound sand.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one.
How much more catastrophically ignorant could Marge be? If he’s “innocent” (he isn’t), then the place to prove that is in court, not just by squealing it.
Maybe we need to do what Stephen Colbert does with “the former President” and use her title rather than her name. “Rep. from Georgia’s 14th” is 2 characters longer than “Marjorie Taylor Greene” but it’s a technically correct way to refer to her that doesn’t use her name.
Or unless he’s actually guilty and screwed over other sufficiently rich guys (the Bernie Madoff exception.)
Trump has been indicted: The United States of America is still here. Was Representative Greene misinformed?
I think so too, and I really really hope we’re both right.
Of course, since about 2016, I have surprisingly often answered “Are you sure?” with “Oh fuck”, so…
NYT article on Bragg’s turnaround on Trump. The ups and downs would make this a fairly interesting mini-series… especially if it included the happy ending that we’re all hoping for.
Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg (left) insisted that the investigation into former president Donald Trump was not over. PHOTOS: EPA-EFE, REUTERS
APR 2, 2023, 10:55 PM SGT
NEW YORK – One year ago this week, the Manhattan district attorney’s investigation into Donald Trump appeared to be dead in the water.
The two leaders of the investigation had recently resigned after the new district attorney, Mr Alvin Bragg, decided not to charge Trump at that point. Amid a fierce backlash to his decision – and a brutal start to his tenure – Mr Bragg insisted that the investigation was not over. But a disbelieving media questioned why, if the effort was still moving forward, there were so few signs of it.
“Unless y’all are great poker players,” he told The New York Times in an April 2022 interview, “you don’t know what we’re doing.”
What they were doing, new interviews show, was going back to square one, poring over the reams of evidence that had been collected by his predecessor. For a time, their efforts were haphazard as they examined a wide range of Trump’s business practices, including if he had lied about his net worth, which was the focus of the investigation when Mr Bragg declined to seek an indictment.
But by last July, Mr Bragg decided to assign several additional prosecutors to pursue one particular strand that struck him as promising: A hush-money payment made on Trump’s behalf to a porn star during the final days of the 2016 presidential campaign.
Last Thursday, Trump was indicted on that strand. He is expected to surrender to authorities in Manhattan on Tuesday and face arraignment on more than two dozen charges, which will be unveiled at that time.
This account of Mr Bragg’s decision to revive the investigation, based on interviews with about a dozen people familiar with the matter, reveals the circuitous and sometimes uncertain road that led to the first criminal charges against a former United States president.
Along the way, a key internal sceptic of the investigation became one of its champions, Mr Bragg shook up the Trump team and hired an experienced lawyer away from the Justice Department to help lead it, and he ultimately found new promise in a key witness he had once disregarded as unreliable.
The district attorney was also emboldened late last year when his prosecutors won a conviction of Trump’s company in an unrelated tax case.
Last April, Mr Bragg, a Democrat, had a chance to move on from the ex-president and turn his tenure towards his initial motivation in running for office: Reshaping the criminal justice system in Manhattan. Now, his willingness to wager his political future on the case against Trump will be tested like never before – his success, or failure, is inextricably tied to the former president.
Winning an indictment is one thing. Winning a conviction will be far more difficult.
The decision to revisit the case despite his earlier reservations has opened Mr Bragg to criticism from the former president’s supporters that he is blindly pursuing Trump.
The case has also exposed the district attorney to a wave of hostile and racist rhetoric from the former president and his supporters. Mr Bragg, a career prosecutor, has received vivid death threats, including one that was mailed to the office last week.
In a statement last Thursday, after the indictment was reported, Trump called the case a “political persecution and election interference at the highest level in history”, adding that Mr Bragg was “a disgrace” and calling himself “a completely innocent person”.
Shortly after Mr Bragg took office in January 2022, he received a warning.
At the time, he was grappling with the potential case centred on Trump’s net worth, which senior prosecutors Mark Pomerantz and Carey Dunne were presenting to a grand jury.
The warning came in the form of memos about that investigation, one of which was delivered to Mr Bragg’s aides by career prosecutor Chris Conroy. The memos highlighted potential gaps in the evidence, and darkened the new district attorney’s view of the case he had just inherited.
Mr Bragg also developed concerns about relying on Michael Cohen, Mr Trump’s former fixer, questioning whether he had enough knowledge about the intricacies of Trump’s financial records to be a pivotal witness.
In a series of meetings early last year, Mr Pomerantz and Mr Dunne tried to convince Mr Bragg that the case, which had been developed under Mr Bragg’s predecessor, Mr Cyrus Vance Jr, was solid. Mr Bragg and his aides remained unconvinced, and soon after the district attorney decided to halt the grand jury presentation, Mr Pomerantz and Mr Dunne resigned.
Cohen, who had met extensively with Mr Pomerantz, was furious, and demanded that prosecutors return documents that he had provided. (They did.)
It seemed as if Mr Bragg’s decision could carry historic consequences: A brand-new district attorney had just given up a chance to charge Trump criminally. The political backlash was heated – Trump is widely loathed in Manhattan. It was only compounded when a copy of Mr Pomerantz’s resignation letter was published in The Times, in which he declared that Trump had committed multiple felonies.
Mr Bragg said the investigation was continuing but the team was running low on prosecutors. Shortly before he took over the office, three prosecutors who were concerned about the inquiry’s pace had taken on other assignments, leaving the team threadbare.
And four months into Mr Bragg’s tenure, Mr Solomon Shinerock, who had been the lead assistant district attorney on the case for years, stepped back from the investigation into Trump.
Mr Bragg and two of his office’s leaders – head of investigations Susan Hoffinger and another top aide, Mr Peter Pope – began to steep themselves in the details of the inquiry. But the team were not yet clear on a game plan. They issued a smattering of subpoenas and questioned some witnesses but did not appear to gain much traction.
They also dug into binders that contained the numerous files gathered over the years, files that Mr Bragg had not yet had time to review in depth.
The research laid the groundwork for a more robust investigation. The remaining members of the team split up into small groups to focus on different topics, including the financial statements and the eye-catching payoff that was the original impetus for Mr Vance to open an investigation into Trump in 2018 – the hush-money deal.
Building a case around the sordid episode involving the porn star Stormy Daniels was hardly a new idea. Mr Vance’s prosecutors had considered the hush-money payment for so long that some of them began to call it the “zombie case” because it kept coming back to life. Although Mr Vance had pivoted to focusing on the former president’s net worth, he never closed the hush-money inquiry.
There was a key difference between Mr Bragg’s briefings on the net worth case and digging into the hush-money – time. The new district attorney had only weeks to consider the net worth case before it would have been time to seek a vote from the grand jury, whose term was scheduled to expire in late April 2022.
Ms Kim Foxx, the state’s attorney in Cook County, Illinois, who is friendly with Mr Bragg, said prosecutors running for office are at a natural disadvantage when it comes to the cases they inherit.
“You don’t have the facts; you don’t have the months or years worth of investigation that are there,” she noted.
Going through evidence, Mr Bragg warmed to the idea of charging Trump in connection with his role in the hush-money payment. Unlike the net worth case, Cohen was directly involved: He had made the US$130,000 (S$173,000) payment to Ms Daniels, for which Trump reimbursed him. If the sequence of events that led to the payment were to be illustrated, the former fixer would be the line connecting all the dots.
Ms Hoffinger contacted Cohen’s lawyer Lanny Davis to reassure him that the investigation into Trump was very much alive. Cohen, she suggested, might still become a valuable witness.
In July, Mr Bragg built up the Trump team, a sign of his growing confidence. Ms Catherine McCaw, who had garnered attention for her role in the prosecution of Anna Sorokin, the con woman better known as Anna Delvey, joined. So did Ms Rebecca Mangold and Ms Katherine Ellis, prosecutors in the office’s Major Economic Crimes Bureau.
At the time, prosecutors in the district attorney’s office were preparing for another Trump-related trial. Before Mr Vance left office, he had charged the former president’s company and a senior executive, Allen Weisselberg, with orchestrating a years-long tax fraud scheme. In August 2022, Weisselberg pleaded guilty but the Trump Organisation refused a plea, setting the stage for the highest-profile trial of the district attorney’s tenure.
Mr Bragg later said he began to think of the two matters as chapters in a book: First would come the Trump Organisation’s trial. Then the investigation into Trump could progress.
For the trial, which began on Halloween, Ms Hoffinger teamed up with Mr Joshua Steinglass, an experienced trial lawyer who specialises in homicide cases. It was part of the district attorney’s philosophy: Pairing lawyers with different skills on a single team.
While Ms Hoffinger and Mr Steinglass were focused on the trial, Mr Conroy and Mr Pope continued to examine the legal theories underpinning the hush-money case. A chief sceptic of the previous Trump investigation, Mr Conroy was pushing the hush money one forward.
During that period, Mr Bragg and his deputies indicated to associates and outside supporters that he was newly optimistic about building a case against Trump, The Times reported in November 2022.
Shortly before the jurors in the Trump Organisation trial began to deliberate, the office announced it had hired Mr Matthew Colangelo, a former senior Justice Department official who had experience building a civil case against Trump and who became one of the leaders of the Manhattan investigation.
The day after Mr Colangelo’s hiring was announced, the jury returned its verdict: Trump’s company was guilty, and Mr Bragg had won a significant victory.
In interviews after the win, Mr Bragg took his “chapter” analogy public. And when asked about the case against Trump, he told reporters that he had “been cautioning people not to read ahead in the book”.
For Mr Bragg, the new year began by impanelling a grand jury to hear evidence in the hush-money case. For some of his prosecutors, it began with a peace summit with Cohen.
At a meeting in their office in lower Manhattan – the same building where the new grand jury would soon start to meet – the prosecutors told him they wanted to start fresh, and Cohen was amenable.
“I went in to 80 Centre Street sceptical and guarded,” Cohen said in an interview with the Times, referring to the building where the Major Economic Crimes Bureau is.
“After a three-hour initial meeting, I left reassured and confident in the team. They were knowledgeable, articulate and professional in a way that made me as comfortable as I was with the previous Pomerantz and Dunne team.”
It was the first of at least seven visits Cohen made to the office this year. In the ensuing meetings, prosecutors grilled him about granular aspects of the hush-money episode. He provided them with documents and his phone.
While evaluating Cohen’s evidence, the prosecutors began presenting evidence to the grand jury. The first witness was Mr David Pecker, former publisher of The National Enquirer, the tabloid that helped broker Cohen’s payout to Ms Daniels. Mr Pecker was followed by Ms Daniels’ lawyer and some of Trump’s employees and campaign aides, most prominently Ms Kellyanne Conway and Ms Hope Hicks. The process culminated in Cohen testifying before the panel for more than two days in March.
By then, the parade of witnesses had begun to draw a media crowd outside 80 Centre. The fervour grew when the Times reported that Mr Bragg had signalled to Trump’s legal team he was poised to seek an indictment. And when Trump prematurely predicted his own arrest two weeks ago, the blocks near the courthouse took on a circus-like atmosphere.
At one point, as court officials were preparing to escort a witness into the grand jury, there was a traffic accident outside the courthouse involving a truck that was packing up from filming a scene of the sequel to the film Joker nearby.
All week, no indictment had emerged. But on Thursday afternoon, Mr Conroy, the formerly sceptical prosecutor, walked into 80 Centre Street. In his arms was a copy of the New York state penal law, marked up with sticky notes, to instruct the grand jurors on the law before they took the vote that indicted the former president.
Three hours later, Mr Conroy, Ms McCaw and the warden of the grand jury left 80 Centre and crossed the street to the building where indictments are filed. Reaching the clerk’s office through a back entrance, they submitted the paperwork two minutes before the office closed for the day.
Marge’s level of ignorance about how to do her job is massive. But that only matters if she wants to do that job.
To do the harm she’d like to do, and use the job title as a ladder to damage those hard-to-reach places: she’s well across that.
Her job title is irrelevant. How well she performs that job is irrelevant. She’s just there to do shitty things that aren’t in the job description.
ETA: pointing out Marge’s ignorance of basic government function is like laughing at a bank robber who didn’t correctly fill out the withdrawal slip.
I wonder if this is a situation where GOP’s instutional sexism is actually helping. MTG and Lauren Boebert are some of the loudest and looniest voices on the right, but as you say, their rabble-rousing does not seem to translate into personal support. I think the Republican voters still want their man, and not a woman, on the white horse.
