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“To stop a bad guy with a gun, it takes a good guy with a gun”
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Pretty much every other developed country is busy going “why are you prepared to put up with this?” The key difference is the available guns. They’re generally not available, or if available in far more limited forms. I don’t think there’s anywhere in the erst that would allow civilian access to anything like an AR15. There’s no civilian pool of weapons for people about to have a bad day to steal from.
While yes, there will be serious criminals with firearms, it becomes a much bigger deal, there aren’t many such weapons available.
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In the Old West there was a class of chap called “Bad Men”; these were people on both sides of the law (frequently the same bloke at different times in his career) who would respond to violence with violence. So maybe the NRA needs to change their slogan to, “The only way to stop a bad man with a gun is a bad man with a gun.” Evidently Good Men don’t cut the mustard. Alternatively, "“The only way to stop a bad man with a gun is to not allow him to get a gun in the first place.”
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Agreed. AFAIK, it’s really mainly the Onion that focuses on that.
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In the typical american action adventure movie, guns are magical talismans that give the hero powerful abilities. On the other hand, the villain who weilds a gun, can’t hardly ever seem to shoot straight, and is easily picked off by the protagonist. (unless it’s also a nemesis, of course, who needs to be unkillable to make it to the sequel)
In this action movie dream world, adding more firepower makes for a better movie, since it’s a given that the good guy is going to prevail in the end.
The NRA and its supporters have steadfastly refused to allow any firepower to be removed from the scenario, insisting that only more gun sales can make things better.
It’s not the first responders who deserve to be called cowards here, it’s the politicians who’ve accepted the NRAs money and brought more guns into schools, rather than take the obvious step toward de-escalation.
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Pretty sure the officers did as they were trained to do. Wait for backup. This is not a movie or television show.
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And/or shot in the confusion by law enforcement.
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Umm… what schools do you go to where there are 100 yard sightlines inside of the building? The range advantage of a rifle doesn’t matter much in a meandering hallway with multiple routes.
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People fail to the level of their training. (not sarcasm)
…But I’m sure an English Teacher or Custodian could have handled it, after all they’re the ones making the real money. (sarcasm)
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Have you checked the White House? Reality has a bone to pick with you.
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That’s a sure way to lose your first amendment rights. 
If the strategy is ‘let them run out of ammo’ I think that puts it on us to determine
how much ammo can one person legally possess at one time.
I say 10 rounds. Any more and I might suspect you of planning mass murder.
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I can’t tell if you’re serious. That’s not the protocol for law enforcement, right? It’s for us civilians.
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Three people in just one little school did more. Aaron Feis, Chris Hixon and Scott Beigel apparently shielded children with just their bodies, and died.
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Given how much flak the security people are getting for not fighting back in Florida, “arm the teachers” is an ingenious way to spread the blame for school shootings to the teachers themselves.
After a massacre at an “armed” school, the NRA nuts can scream at the teachers for not doing more.
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Were the deputies trained to face an assailant armed with a high-powered, rapid-fire weapon? Had they ever been exposed to live fire from such a weapon, either in training or actual combat? If the answer is no, then their actions are to be expected, not criticized.
Were they in fact trained to not engage until suitably-armed and armored officers arrived? If the answer is yes, then their actions are to be expected, not criticized.
Admittedly I have not served in the armed forces or law enforcement My impression, however, is that it is impossible to predict how any individual will respond to a life-threatening situation such as this if they have not previously experienced the same scenario.
It is unfair to criticize the deputies for their actions. If you want to criticize cowards, focus on the ones who are too afraid to have their precious weapons reguated sensibly in order to protect the lives of our children.
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Completely unfair to Barney. He walked his beat with an unloaded revolver and one bullet in his pocket. Gunstrokers by definition do not remotely approach that level of courage.
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Are we falling into that frame ourselves? I interpreted it as a dig at the action movie logic. “Even when we have the people who are trained to do this stuff and armed it doesn’t do shit because life isn’t action movies.”
“To stop a bad guy with a gun, it takes a good guy with a gun"
“To stop lung cancer, it takes chemotherapy.” - or you could try not smoking.
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