I would argue that Islam represents the biggest threat to feminism, by far.
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An argument could be made that the swing to the Right would cause some people to give up on faith.
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Just asking questions huh.
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Cool. I, obviously, was giving my unsupported opinion, didn’t claim otherwise. You claim otherwise, with authority. So.
Give a source, or multiple, that a) explicates “the human mind”. and b) proves that the thing you and I casually identify as “the human mind” exists at birth.
Not structures it later occupies. Not nimelennars “Breathing, crying, nursing”. Not the first beginnings on the way to the structure. The mind itself, the thinking mind.
Bet you can do neither. If you can do any more than offer informed speculation on the first point, you ought to publish, because no one has done so yet. And patently obviously, post natal infants have not the second.
I think you over spoke yourself, from a position of “authority”.
That’s a great vid, but you can’t deny Islam is one of the biggest hurdles to women having equal rights -or even a modicum of respect- worldwide and of course in particular in the Middle East. Hopefully more and more women begin to stand up to this ridiculous, 14th century treatment and make more videos like that.
You’re debating against a point that no-one is making.
(emphasis mine)
You make it clear that you are not talking about the brain:
We all assumed that you were talking about the structure of the brain itself, because that’s what the point you quoted to argue against was talking about.
If you wish to continue to attack the undefended position that “the thinking mind” is predisposed to create gods, you may continue your mounted charge against the empty battlefield.
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There is an absolute mountain of research on this subject, but for starters: language acquisition begins pre-natally.
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And the Jews control the media, right? Maybe try reading a book about Islam and the many different ways it’s actually practiced instead of making assumptions based on your prejudices?
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So Women’s rights are suppressed in Saudi Arabia and Iran, but at the same time countries with over 80% muslim populations have elected women presidents, e.g. Megawatt Sukarnoputri from Indonesia, Sheikh Hasina in Bangladesh. It’s simply not accurate to conflate Islam with suppressing women’s rights. Women’s rights get suppressed in countries that happen to be predominantly Islamic, but it’s a cultural issue bound to specific countries rather than to the whole religion.
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And it’s not like only Muslims suppress women’s rights, either. Look at all the places HERE IN THE US where our right to access reproductive care is being surely and steadily eroded.
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And you’d be wrong, in that MRAs are targetedly harmful in a way that broadly one can be fiercely feminist and Muslim.
He has, by Dawkins, Ann Coulter…
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Only religious people would think people are being emotional for detesting and opposing it. Would you say I was being emotional for detesting and opposing racism, fascism, imperialism , colonialism, statism? No, we have seen them in action. We can oppose them in principle, in detail. But why should I do so in every instance when IN FACT I oppose them in total, ab ova ?. Religion is false and hateful, and I hate i just like I hate colonialism, and for pretty much the same reason.
I could surprise you by a long list, off the top of my head, detailing the depth of depravity that hides under everyday religious practice, and its history. The fact that, in the course of their burning infidels, exterminating opponents, each other, cats, old women, young women, homosexuals, unsanctioned hetrosexuals, etc, the proponents of their various systems have pontificated on many and varied religious questions is supposed to be interesting?. No doubt the colonialists could offer the same “interesting” field of study, with their amusing debates as to quite how the lower races are unworthy, which are the most effective poisons to use on “coloured” people, etc.
No. You don’t convince me. It is an interesting topic to no one who is rational.
Sure… but only in Islamic theocracies and developing countries with dangerous radicalized Islamic movements like Boko Haram.
Boko Haram: Nigeria’s Original MRA/PUA Community™
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I was perfectly clear in my replies, to the point of saying mind repeatedly. It was someone else who spoke of brain, and I answered them with a re-iteration of the use of the term mind. I qualified it further by saying “Not only is the human mind totally and utterly tabula rasa at birth, it is non-existent. It arises in the prepared matrix that is the human brain, via experience, and becomes a human mind”.
So, nope, your assertion is wrong.
Right up there with Christianity, it is true.
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Doubling down, I see.
So your a priori assumption is that religion is an universal evil and nothing good has ever come about under its rubric?
You do realize that Western science arose out of Christianity, right? (As did most of our art, music, and much of our philosophy…)
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You may think that you were being perfectly clear, but generally, if you have to tell someone that you were being perfectly clear, you weren’t.
Many people use “brain” and “mind” interchangeably. By the time you clarified by using both in the same paragraph, the original person you were arguing with was sick of arguing, possibly not even reading to that part because, instead of trying his argument, you accused him of being indoctrinated (but not of what he had been indoctrinated to believe).
Yes, once, out of this whole discussion (before I called you out to clarify), you did say one thing that might have shown that you were referring to “brain” and “mind” as two different concepts.
My assertion that position that no one is arguing that “the thinking mind” (as opposed to the underlying structure of the brain) is predisposed to create gods?
Fine, that’s an easy assertion for you to prove wrong. Find a post, later on the thread than your “the mind arises from the brain” post (where it becomes clear that were talking about them as two separate entities), that is making that argument.
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Duce, seriously, confirming every negative stereotype of atheists ain’t helping Team Godless. As I’ve made abundantly clear I am an atheist. What I am suggesting is that you might do well to find a more nuanced and more informed understanding of topics you are literally proud about being willfully ignorant of.
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Arguable: science certainly came to us via the lens of Christianity (after the Islamic scholars were done with it), but that was largely because the Church dominated intellectual life in the theocracies of medieval Europe to such an extent that secular thought was effectively eliminated.
And a lot of those “religious” scholars weren’t actually very religious; Copernicus kept a mistress throughout his monastic life, while Galileo had several illegitimate children and wrote one of the foundational documents of the secular enlightenment (Letter to the Grand Duchess Christina).
On the medical side, pretty much every advance came through the direct violation of religious edicts. The prohibition of autopsy and the enforced authority of classical theory was a massive handicap to medicine.
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