Honestly?
How about apply that to us as well?
Admit that you feel that if someone doesn’t directly call for violence against a person, you don’t think it counts… It is just “free speech.”
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In short, if someone tells you authoritatively what someone else is thinking, that person is tricking you. They are no authority. Does their gossip close your mind to the proper authentic source of that information? To the naive, yes it does. To the travelled, we know the only source of that information is the horses mouth.
Since I wasn’t at the protest, or violent, I can’t tell you why people were violent at the protest. And you’re not talking to any of the violent people from the protest in this venue as far as I can tell. So, good luck with your quest I guess. No horses here. No horses mouths. No horses asses either please.
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That sounds terrifying to me, and I’m not even a member of a group that is routinely targeted for harassment and violence.
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I know, right?
Having accrued at least one batshit fangirl trying to harass me in my time online, I can only imagine what a nightmare must be like to have hordes of trollies unleashed upon you.
And the psycho-trolley in question didn’t even have access to any of my real life info; he was just obsessed with my online persona and trying to get others to “hate” me and mine.
Online harassment isn’t “harmless” just because it’s often not immediately physical.
I’m not up on one.
I’m just surprised at myself that I had apparently completely misjudged you. Im usually better at reading others, even if I’m only familiar with them via an online forum.
Duly noted.
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And I said that when? [/quote]
You seem to know that she definitively did not think that Milo was trying to bring her harm.
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He doesn’t engage personally, but whips up a frenzy among the hordes who follow him who are well known to do these things, then directs them at people to attack. He does this with the full knowledge that they will be treated the same way his previous victims of mass scale harassment were, having to hide/delete personal accounts, having their personal web pages hacked, being doxxed, stalked, swatted, having family members harassed, etc. This isn’t being rude. This is serious, dangerous abuse that has a serious human toll. Read some stores of women he’s targeted, esp. in the GG age. They went through hell, and he was not only aware they were going through it, but put them in the position because he’s a fascist who wants to silence them. If you’re really worried about freedom of speech, you might want to worry more about the effects that targeted harassment has on the speech of its victims.
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Like I alluded to in my anecdote above:
Being harassed by one malignant person who doesn’t even actually know anything about you is unsettling as fuck; I can’t begin to fathom how scary it must be when fuckwads actually have your real info and an army of passive-aggressive malcontents to do their dirty work for them.
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And what would you have me do differently? Jump on the bandwagon and shout “Burn Milo!” without trying to understand why?
There seems to be a circle jerk of jerks here. If you ask for specific reasons why Milo was protested and ways to discuss this with people on the right, this is the dialog to be had.
so if someone tells you they know what someone is thinking then they are tricking you… unless it’s you saying it then it’s ok… got it.
That’s a good argument and one I’ll have to internalize.
Honestly, only insofar as governmental intervention is concerned.
People gave you specific examples of the harm he does and you dismissed and excused them.
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It’d sort of be like arguing that Charles Manson isn’t dangerous because he probably didn’t actually carve anyone up personally; Milo’s a cult leader, and has made his intentions very clear to his followers. So when he doxxes someone who fits a category of people that he thinks shouldn’t exist, he doesn’t have to say “hey, harass this person until they have to withdraw from society” or “if you see protesters, it’s OK to shoot them”.
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Milo is not a person you Want to defend. Unless you’re a gator. I dunno,
bud, are you? Seems like you’re JAQing off like one.
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+1
Generals aren’t usually the ones pulling the trigger. It’s the enlisted folks.
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I am not defending him. I have mocked his child like world view on this very forum. I am looking for ways to discuss the issue with people who are not like minded. Instead I get treated like a terrible person for asking questions. It’s fine. I don’t know why I expected more lucid and rational responses.
He did? Now that’s something juicy. Who was it?
I know that others have tried to give you this advice already but it bears repeating;
Try to avoid using insults and ad hominems, even if you think the other person is talking out of their ass.
It doesn’t help make your point, and will cause you to get flagged and/or eaten.
I don’t disagree with the content of what you’re saying, but the delivery needs a we bit of finesse.
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Okay, if you’re saying that I got what you’re saying wrong:
Can you please provide another interpretation for those two quotes other than “The fear she was feeling was not due to her thinking that Milo was ‘actually trying to bring [her] harm?’”
Because that’s exactly what I’m reading, and, perhaps due to my own limitations, I don’t see another possible interpretation of that.
Even if that’s not what you’re saying, I certainly can’t see any interpretation that doesn’t fit into @Melizmatic’s description of “claiming to know what people you’ve never even met are thinking and feeling.”
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I’m not here to give you juicy gossip, man, I’m just reporting what’s already been said a half dozen times.
One of the big reasons that UC Berkeley was wary about having him there was because he’d been talking about using the event to launch a new initiative to call out and dox refugees and unregistered students live from the stage.
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Isn’t that the goal? To silence his voice at a particular time and place? To be a louder voice in the commons?
[/quote]If they were two voices in the commons you would have a point, but they are not and to draw that comparison is ludicrous. Milo is a multi-millionaire with a massive audience and multiple platforms to speak in, and never ever will be “a voice in the commons.” How many protesters that you know got a 10 minute interview on Fox News the next night where they got to claim such things as “what even is hate speech?”
Hell, Milo only even feels threatened because one of Trump’s supporters shot one of the peaceful protesters outside one of his speeches. His biggest message has been “we can’t let the SJWs win and silence our speech!” only to let them do that. Even in Seattle, he was given a lengthy standing ovation when he found out about the shooting and immediately told the crowd a protester shot one of his fans.
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So he swatted someone or directed others to do it? Or is it that his fans have a few bad people among their ranks?
[/quote]You can’t condemn all protesters as violent free speech hating miscreants, only to forgive a few bad Nazis for spoiling the white supremacist movement.
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The woman he outed, mentioned like five times?
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Yo, I’ll be straight up;
I’m going by my own unfortunate experiences, which I found highly disturbing; even though it was just a tiny glimpse into the vast abyss of ugliness that’s out there.
So maybe it is just me projecting onto to Leslie and any other victims of that dick’s shenanigans…
But I do think implying that it’s all idle chatter and nothing to really worry about is marginalizing the legitimate damage that can come from targeting someone else online.
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