Fuck 'em? Who cares about their narrative?
If they want to support alt-right nazis and fascists, then we know what their opinions are worth.
Milo has been doing this schtick for years. This is not news.
Outing them by name to his followers? What’s he have to do, yell “Beat her up” or “Kill her” for it to pass the bar?
The black bloc get off on damaging property. They’ll jump at any excuse. So you don’t need to really wonder about that. If something involves wall street, the WTO, or fascism they’ll happily damage stuff. This is nothing new, do you remember the WTO protests in Seattle years ago when they were window smashing?
In this case Milo has orchestrated large scale hate campaigns that have caused far more serious human harm than some broken windows and some burnt grass. Inflicting that kind of terror and genuine harm on people matters, and the guy does not deserve the right to any public speaking engagement when he’s used them in the past not to spread ideas, but to terrorize people. The people who were there to protest were almost all peaceful protestors, but the black bloc dickheads managed to make it all about them.
Another thing to keep in mind: the protests at UC Berkeley were peaceful. They weren’t violent protests until the black-clad anarchists showed up to start destroying things. So I wouldn’t jump to say that he incited liberals to violence. I’d say he incited liberals to protest, as they always do at his events, and this being UC Berkeley, a small group of extremists took things way too far. (@nemomen beat me to it)
I get that Milo has the moral compass of a 13 year old lead paint victim and I get that he mocks people. Both of these traits are found here are BB quite often.
Mocking a person is rude but certainly within the bounds of acceptable and tolerable speech. How does mocking a trans person become a hate campaign causing serious human harm, terror, or genuine harm on people. That’s the missing link for me. How can I enter in to a meaningful dialog with a right wing person about Milo deserving to be silenced when all I can say is that he is rude and some of his fans take it too far? After all, I will not condemn Islam for the actions of a handful of crazy people.
Outing a person on stage at an event hosted by your anti-LGBT followers is not an incitement to harm? Really?
Did you read the interview that I posted to you with the student who was outed and the effects for her?
I did. It said that she had her picture projected and she was mocked. She immediately felt scared. She said she received hate mail and letters of support. From what I’ve read no harm came to her. If we take Milo to court today, would we be able to say Milo incited violence when no violence took place?
I’m not arguing in defense of Milo but I’m having a hard time arguing in defense of the idea that he is in any way more dangerous than Dr Laura or Limbaugh.
and that means you think there should have been no protests?
This isn’t about the black bloc for most folks here. Those assholes show up to any protest and smash things. They aren’t with everyone else. They show up to do their thing under the cover of other folks.
Milo wasn’t banned from Twitter for being rude. He was banned for coordinating mass scale targeted harassment. As @enso noted, outing an LGBT student to peers who are likely queer-bashers isn’t rude, it’s targeted harassment. Most of what the guy does isn’t being rude, it’s lying and manipulating to rouse fear, hate, and anger among his followers, then pointing them at targets. Rude is, ‘you look fat.’ Milo is, ‘fat people are the reason you all are deprived of the food you like, and look at this fat bastard over here, he’s not just fat, he said he thinks you’re all stupid and wants to steal your food.’
You and I may have different definitions of “harm.”
Perhaps. The harm I saw was fear and the fear seemed to stem from her imagination. She stated she was scared before the letters came so it seems her imagination was the source of the fear.
It means I am at a loss to argue in favor of them to someone who supports Milo.
Now that is the sort of thing I’m looking for and have been told is true but I cannot find anywhere other than people saying that it is what he did.
Isn’t that the source of all fear?
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That’s the missing link for me. How can I enter in to a meaningful dialog with a right wing person about Milo deserving to be silenced when all I can say is that he is rude and some of his fans take it too far?
[/quote]You answer honestly and say it’s not about “silencing” Milo. Protesters are not “silencing” Milo. If you cannot refute that elementary opposition to a protest, then you need to step further back than simply “I need something to point to about Milo.”
Wow.
I…
Just…
Wow.
yeah, as opposed to the fear you get when someone is actually trying to bring you harm instead of just being a total jerk
Look at the crap he pulled with Leslie Jones when he kept posting fake inflammatory tweets attributed to her. He was leading the harassment campaign that bombarded her with death threats, DOXXing, and her site hacked to post her nude photos on it.
He was really noxious in the Gamergate days and was doing the same crap of posting doctored tweets and faked screen caps to get the gullible hate squad to go into attack mode:
Swatting has left people dead.
It must be fascinating to know exactly what other people you’ve never even met are thinking and feeling.
“Sure, I mean, you may have received dozens of death threats and had your address posted online to people who loathe you, but until they show up at your door with a gun it’s all in your imagination.”
Fear is, quite simply, obsessively imagining the bad things that are going to happen to you.
When you’ve riled up a room to hate someone, and have shown their picture on a wide screen, and basically told them they’re an acceptable target, I don’t know what they would imagine happening to them. But I imagine it’d be scary.
Isn’t that the goal? To silence his voice at a particular time and place? To be a louder voice in the commons?
So he swatted someone or directed others to do it? Or is it that his fans have a few bad people among their ranks?
And I said that when? Get off your high horse. You are not helping. I’m in the middle. I am neither left nor right. I enjoy friends on both sides of the isle. What you are doing is attacking someone for attempting to engage honestly with a segment of the right. I’m asking questions and for advice on how to engage them in a positive manner from people who support the protests. If you cannot be a productive part of that conversation then you are simply being a characticuter of the left that the right paints you to be.
