LOL - ya, no. If you want me to be specific I will: artificial scents. Air freshners, febreeze, laundry detergent, dryer sheets, cheap drugstore perfume, anything with that “fresh” scent (what is that!?) some scented candles. Essential oils however are fine. (real ones, not fake ones) - I’m sure if you wanted to fund the research we could pin point what the exact chemicals are that trigger my reaction. BTW - I say “sensitivity” because its not an allergy, no histamine reaction, just an irritation, so flushing helps remove the irritant faster than my mucus.
OP seems a bit over the top. I don’t remember “hysteria” about MSG being an engineered food additive. What I do remember is that some people apparently found they would get a headache after having Chinese food with MSG added. Then lots of other people started avoiding it, and as a result a lot of Chinese restaurants began advertising their food as MSG-free.
I would portray the whole thing as overreaction out of ignorance, much the same as how people are reacting to gluten nowadays (genuine sufferers of conditions that cause a reaction to gluten excepted, of course).
Oh, is tetrodoxin in tomatoes, cheese, and mushrooms? I had no idea.
I’m not talking about neurotoxins, I’m talking about chemicals that naturally occur in commonly-eaten foods, that can be isolated and used as a flavor additive/enhancer. If someone gets headaches from MSG added to food, they’d get the same headaches from eating a big hunk of parmesan.
Yes, a huge bag of potato chips will cause issues, the ones I meant were the little snack size - it’s crazy to eat a pillow of chips. I can replicate my problem with MSG with a serving of instant ramen, or practically any given standard portion of food seasoned with it. I only discovered MSG was the cause of my migraines by radically altering my diet (I was in college and living off processed and fast food) and slowly adding items back in until I had a migraine again. The only common ingredient in those items was MSG.
Again, I understand that science says it’s safe, but for some of us that simply isn’t true. Or to be more accurate - it’s safe in that it won’t kill me, just make life significantly less enjoyable. Many people have problems processing many different things, this one just happens to be mine.
No, I do not have science confirming alteration of taste after consuming a diet containing MSG, only a hunch and a lot of time spent cooking. Perhaps someone motivated can get some sweet grant money figuring that out for the rest of us. If i’m wrong about it, then you’ll have yet another item to tell me why I should be eating this thing my body doesn’t want.
I’m just wondering if it’s MSG in particular, or excessive amounts of salts in general (or maybe even something else).
\I’m not going to ask you to give yourself a migraine on purpose…just wondering if super salty potato chips full of weird artificial flavors give you migraines always, or just the specific flavors that have MSG? Can you go to town on a bag of Lays bacon mac and cheese chips and be just fine?
That’s like saying you have a “food” sensitivity, but only to “artificial food.” You are painting with a very broad brush. And, again, I’m not denying your condition, but I do say that “scent” sensitivity is like the vague “toxins” gambit. Which toxins, exactly? “Scents” don’t all have the same chemicals in common.
I honestly have no idea what you’re arguing with me about. You ask specifics, I gave them. I’m not a chemical engineer, I don’t know whats in those things that trigger a reaction, and I’m not saying all scents… so maybe point your vitriol elsewhere?
Pretty much only the processed versions - I do a lot of braising and soup making at home, and only after making say, beef stew with tomato and mushrooms; then eating it for leftovers over the course of a few days do I feel a tinge of a migraine. A large single portion of items containing it naturally is fine, but if I screw up and consume something containing the processed version, I can begin feeling the effects within an hour.
This is just my experience, if you like the stuff then have at it - just warn some folks occasionally, please.
Not accepting your overbroad claims at face value != “vitriol”. Claiming it does is a BS way of trying to shut down legitimate conversation.
And while I don’t expect you to be a chemical engineer, I would think that since you are so affected by specific chemicals you would be interested in finding out which ones those are. Seems like that could be pretty important.
I bring up the issue of “scents” because this is a public health issue, not just a Missy_Pants issue. Do “scents” cause disease? Is “multiple-chemical sensitivity” a real organic cause of disease? Or is it a sociogenic illness? Is “detoxing” a genuine health treatment?
The fact that chemicals can and do cause harm to people gives the claims above a biological plausibility, however when you take a real thing, convert it to uselessly broad and vague claims, then use those broad and vague claims to create social policy and medical treatments, then there is a problem. And that’s what claiming “scent” sensitivities does, as opposed to noting reactions to specific chemicals, same goes for “multiple chemical sensitivity”.
So, my post is about the broader issues and not just you. And any “vitriol” is entirely in your mind.
You are the one who brought up scent sensitivity in a thread on MSG in a post where you criticized someone else for making overbroad claims:
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It’s great you love your processed bullshit,
I was totally with you until this. I use a Japanese msg-coated salt and its great, I use it while cooking non-processed “bullshit” foods, much like the OP says. And I am certainly not less sensitive to subtle flavours… that is a strange conclusion.
Sorry you have sensitivities, I have scent sensitivities and they are also hard to “prove” - apparently me crying in the corner and need to rinse my nasal cavities isn’t proof.