Narco-messaging billboards appear in El Paso, Texas


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#2

I am sure that this is nothing more prohibition and militarizing the police force can’t fix.


#3

If it was drug gangs that did this, they have seriously overplayed their hands. This isn’t going to scare most of America, it’s just going to piss us off and set loose hell on them.

The military-industrial complex is probably very excited at this development and excuse to profitably lay waste to these gangs.

Nevermind the fact we could avoid this massive expense with decriminalization and a focus on rehab for addicts.


#4

I generally agree, however, the biggest concern is corruption of police forces. Regular readers of this blog certainly know how crazy the police can be on a routine basis. Add many millions of dollars worth of corrupting narco-money to the mix, and I worry what those militarized police forces will get into…


#5

I’m pretty sure the narcos have got this wrong. On this side of the border it’s “Oro o Plomo”. “Plata”? They don’t know our police forces very well.


#6

As fucked as the American police force is, it only really deals in a handful types of corruption. You can count on American police to shake down citizens for every single cent they can grab their hands on… lawfully. They will ticket you for going 5 miles over the speed limit and hit you for a rolling stop at a clear intersection. They will slap every flavor of fine on you that they can. You can count on American cops to occasionally plant evidence and rough up suspects. You can count on them to exploit their authority up to the letter of the law for pure sadistic pleasure. You can count on “bad apples” who do the above to NEVER be turned in their fellows cops, and you can expect the police union, judges, and local government to rush to the defense of these sorts of corrupt piece of shit cops.

All of that said, America does very little straight up money for a service corruption. You can drop a bribe a thousand and one subtle and well defined legal ways; hell, that is the entire basis of our political system, but do it directly and you are playing with fire. The culture is pretty violently against open bribery. Unlike Mexico, the US has a strong federal system. If the narco gangs try what they have done to Mexico in the US, it really isn’t going to go well. The police will merrily arm up and make the nacro gangs look like unarmed school children. Even if they managed to corrupt the local police force badly enough, the US has a strong federal system that will come in with even bigger guns.

The best thing a nacro gang can do is keep quiet, keep the body count small, and build an operation that can take the occasional bust without falling apart. Open warfare inside the US is always a losing game.


#7

Yeah, maybe. But will we now have to take our socks off at the airport too? And maybe get anal probes, just so we can be more “secure”?


#8

Yeah, maybe. But will we now have to take our socks off at the airport too? And maybe get anal probes, just so we can be more “secure”?

I’m not sure what your point is, but I don’t think security theatre of any nature makes us more secure.

I’m not convinced this was done by drug lords, but if it was and they keep it up the likely response down the road will be hellfire missiles obliterating their cartel compounds. If there’s any survivors, there’s always white phosphorus blanketing the entire area to melt their skin off. General mayhem. America is excellent at mayhem, dontcha’ know… and we’re not much shy at using it for our own ends.

Like I said, if this is drug lords, they are seriously overplaying their hands by doing this on U.S. soil. I wouldn’t be surprised if some other cartel members find out who did it and eliminate them from the mix, actually. Why provoke the world’s largest military-industrial complex from an insanely violent country to eagerly hunt for you when you’re right next door? Doesn’t sound like a very good business decision to me.

There’s a reason we’re the only country that’s used an atomic bomb on another country. We’re batshit insane. I wouldn’t fuck with the USA in this way even while we’re in the best of moods.


#9

Yeah. I know all that. We can respond with all kinds of military mayhem. As we did in Iraq and Afghanistan, post 9-11. But, first of all, the US is the number one customer of the narco cartels. And secondly, good old normal day-to-day life in the US seems to be the first thing that goes to hell when we decide we have a new enemy. Security theater has become a way of life for us since 9-11, we now have insane amounts of hassle and inconvienience and even injustice, due to our reaction to one day’s attack. (ie. “The terrorists have won”).

I’m not so anxious to unleash more “you are our enemy”, military actions just yet. Poorly worded, sorry. I’m too tired.


#10

I’m not so anxious to unleash more “you are our enemy”, military actions just yet.

I’m not either, what I want is decriminalization of drugs with separate rehab courts, etc. for hard drugs, but it is what it is.


#11

It’s interesting that “plata” (“плата”) is also “payment” in Russian.


#12

Totally unnecessary pedantic explanation:
“Plata” is slang for money.


#13

You seriously overestimate the batshit insanity of the violence perpetrated by the US, I guess its easier than viewing it as a cold blooded, logical plan to protect its interests.
No way is the US going to drop bombs anywhere near its shores in the next 5 years. it still hasn’t finished building its police state.
Besides, you might be viewing these signs as an incursion of the cartels into US soil, a bit late for that.


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You seriously overestimate the batshit insanity of the violence perpetrated by the US, I guess its easier than viewing it as a cold blooded, logical plan to protect its interests

I think you may be confusing logistics with logic. For example, a lot of our state-sponsored violence is causing perpetual blowback and endangering US citizens. The only interests that usually get protected or enhanced is those of these guys for the most part.

In other words, a lot of batshit insanity is carried out with cold blooded, logistical precision. History is rife with examples.

No way is the US going to drop bombs anywhere near its shores in the next 5 years. it still hasn’t finished building its police state.

I don’t know where you picked up 5 years from, not from me.

As far as the US needing to amorphously “finish” its police state (whatever that entails), I don’t see anything like that currently preventing worldwide drone attacks nor incursions into Mexico and South America. The military-industrial complex is quite adept at multi-tasking.

It would appear you aren’t aware that we’re already there. The leaked Stratfor documents (along with other strong confirmations) show that we’ve already got U.S. special operations forces in Mexico as we speak.

We’ve also already been meddling in Mexico in recent years and making many of the worst fears of the Mexican public come true. For example, training Mexican Marines in areas where the cartels are strong has created a situation where they’re contaminated and, by proxy, creating highly trained Zetas, etc.

That’s why you see desperation growing with vigilantes, etc.

Of course, the solution to most of this mayhem is obvious. Decriminalize fucking drugs in the USA. But, it’s vastly more profitable for the powers that be to protect the status quo and keep creating one’s own “profitable problems”, so to speak.

you might be viewing these signs as an incursion of the cartels into US soil, a bit late for that.

I think it’s a bit premature on your part to assume I’m not aware of cartel incursions. It’s very well-documented and very insidious. Including situations like this:

U.S. soldiers accepting cash, drugs for Mexican drug cartel contract hits

And, of course, everyone knows their soldiers and drugs are here in the USA.

But, it’s one thing to quietly mule drugs here and carry out executions of their competition on our soil, yet quite another to start advertising on billboards with representations of hanged bodies on them demanding that United States at large submits to them in fear.

Maybe the public put up with this shit in Mexico:

But, that’s just going to piss off the American public on a visceral level and offer yet more excuses for some bloodthirsty American politicians to happily quench their blood-lust thirst and make their masters more big bucks in the process by ramping up profitable mayhem in Central and South America.

Like I said, if these billboards in Texas are really made from drug lords and it gets tied to them, they’ve seriously overplayed their hands. And, as I’ve suggested earlier, there may even be some American “wet work” specialist soldiers who are paid off by the cartels to hunt down whomever pulled this boneheaded billboard marketing maneuver. It’s just bad business.


#15

Ah… Thought they were going a little cheap.


#16

The US will respond to violence inside of the US with extreme and unlimited violence that is fully supported by the population. If your goal is to get the US to go ape shit, attack the US. If your goal is to get the US to back off of something, seriously, don’t fucking attack American soil. This has been proven so many times that you would think this would be up there with “don’t invade Russia during the Winter”*. Intimidation really doesn’t work. Slowly grinding away American troops on foreign soil works. Attacking the US has Americans happily handing in freedom in exchange for a gun enmass with a mandate for unlimited war.

The US will happily turn the Mexican cartels bases into craters. The drug lords will get to enjoy the rest of their lives hiding in a jungle. The US population will cheer and not give a damn about body count. Everyone but folks who collect a paycheck from or through the US government’s military industrial complex, from normal Mexicans, to the drug cartels, to Americans should be violently opposed to the drug cartels getting violent in the US and attacking political infrastructure. Buy protection from cops to move drugs all you want, kill the occasional illegal immigrant informant quietly, but start killing cops and politicians and you are fucked.

All of this said, I think the cartel realize this fact. They don’t want to spend their gains on camping gear to live in the jungle, trying to avoid drone strokes. Send the shit across the border. Bribe it past authorities when you have to. Rout around people who won’t take bribes. Build the distribution to take some busts and people turning informant without the operation going belly up. Avoid holy war with America.

*unless you are Finish


#17

You may have taken my response too seriously, (police state, 5 years, my own prediction. I did write “might” instead of “are”), my bad.

But this part is worth discussing. You see, while you’re right in that a handful of people benefit directly from these wars, aren’t you also now holding this up as the reason to not be concerned about these signs? (Insofar as your concern is for the poor bastards that tried to do this), and isn’t “their”, that is, the 1% concerns now an umbrella providing real (perceived, my opinion) security? Aren’t you now coming off as glad (I’m not saying you personally are, just that it could be interpreted that way), that everybody knows not to mess with you in your soil?

I’m not trying to question anything you wrote, I just didn’t realize you were completely serious
about it and responded in a half serious tone myself.

Now, being completely serious, I doubt that anybody in power cares who the citizens think should be “droned”, I agree with what you said, its the people in power’s best interest what’s going to trigger any action here. My best guess, this isn’t going to be treated as a national emergency, they could spin it that way, its just my opinion that they won’t

I’ll just finish by letting you know that I am from Mexico, living in Mexico and acutely aware of the way the US intervenes here, like for example how the violence has escalated BECAUSE of the US war on drugs, and funnily enough, this proves you right, when you talk about blow back.

Edit: Oh and about the public putting up with any shit: About this part, I’m sorry to say, you are clueless and its a little bit insulting for you to say it, especially since a lot of this has come about in your name, not supported by you personally, (as you’ve made clear) but that distinction only matters if you live in the US, to everybody else its still the US buying drugs and the US pushing us to fight it, so long as the bloodshed stays on our side, once it reaches your soil though… like you said, blow back.


#18

aren’t you also now holding this up as the reason to not be concerned about these signs?

I’m concerned and pissed off about the signs for a host of reasons no matter who put them up.

Insofar as your concern is for the poor bastards that tried to do this

I have little or no concern for the safety of whomever did this.

I just didn’t realize you were completely serious
about it and responded in a half serious tone myself.

No worries, it’s always hard to tell online who is serious or not without inflection and a facial expression behind it all. :smile:

Oh and about the public putting up with any shit: About this part, I’m sorry to say, you are clueless and its a little bit insulting for you to say it …

Did you not watch the video? You honestly think cartels can stop traffic and/or direct traffic while armed with weapons in the USA and nothing would happen to them?

Like I said, we wouldn’t put up with that shit here. Trust me, the American public embarrasses me for plenty of other reasons, so I’m not just picking on Mexicans here.

That said, the cartels can stop and direct traffic in Mexico while they hang threatening banners in broad daylight? Seriously? You can’t put all the blame on the USA for that. You can place most of the blame, perhaps… but not all of it.

That said, I apologize for being insulting as I could have been more tactful.

especially since a lot of this has come about in your name

I see your point, but it takes two to tango. I certainly blame the USA for the situation and as I’ve repeatedly said I think our drug war needs to stop right now. That said, I also think the Mexican people are also to blame for not getting their shit straight either.

I understand there are plenty of brave Mexican vigilantes (who aren’t corrupted by the cartels) that have had enough and are fighting, but much more of the Mexican public needs to stand up against corruption.

The USA obviously has a horrendous problem with corruption and that needs to be addressed (as it adversely affects the world and Mexico as well), but we don’t have the massive issues that Mexico has within its own house (that I do agree is seriously exacerbated by the USA).

I’ll just finish by letting you know that I am from Mexico, living in Mexico and acutely aware of the way the US intervenes here, like for example how the violence has escalated BECAUSE of the US war on drugs, and funnily enough, this proves you right, when you talk about blow back.

Yes, my post touched on how the U.S. negatively affects Mexico including training the cartels by proxy and even directly in some cases. I think the USA is doing despicable things to Mexico in the name of a failed (but profitable for some) drug war. It’s sick.

so long as the bloodshed stays on our side, once it reaches your soil though… like you said, blow back.

Some bloodshed is already within the USA, but it’s mostly constrained to those already involved in illicit drug trade with the cartels, etc. - Unfortunately, I’m not sure enough Americans are concerned about it because it doesn’t directly affect them and that’s certainly a shame.


#19

I’ve gotten so cynical and the war on drugs is so f*cked up and counter productive, that my very first thought was this was done by the DEA themselves to try and scare US citizens.

They are losing huge amounts of tax payer dollars due to very successful legalization attempts, nothing that some good ol’ FUD and fear tactics can’t cure. :frowning:

My rational brain tells me this is probably not the case, but they’ve done much worse in the past.


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