The video contradicts their lying asses. Badly contradicts their lying asses. That’s the point. But, clearly, you do not give a rat’s ass that two police officers, sworn to uphold the law, lied when giving sworn testimony.
At what point did he swing the 2.5 foot fake sword?
Prove he was a threat.
You did not see what happened at the end of the video.
Prove that he wasn’t.
Please ignore that fact that two police officers decided to throw away their criminal justice degrees, their police academy training, their sworn oaths as well as their reputations for the singular joy of killing a black guy with a sword at a shopping mall.
My state (Washington) is kind of weird. It’s considered an open-carry state, because you are free to carry in the open long guns, but there is no open-carry for pistols at all. In fact it’s basically impossible to even own a pistol without a CCW permit. Basically, if you open-carry a pistol, that’s illegal in all cases unless you’re a cop, and if you don’t have a CCW, you can’t even legally transport your pistol in the locked trunk of a car via public roads from one privately owned location to another.
I guess it makes sense if you want to try and keep track of everyone who owns a pistol, but I think it’s a little unfair to only apply that kind of transportation restriction to pistols and not long guns, seeing as a properly zeroed AR-15 in good working condition has a decent chance at killing a dozen or more people per clip, if that’s what you’re trying to do.
Actually Utah police are now responsible for more killings than gangs, drug dealers or child abuse. But don’t let a few pesky facts get in the way of your “orders of magnitude” claim about how dangerous young black men are.
At no point did I suggest the police were hunting for a black guy to kill “just for the hell of it.”
Ah, the whole numerator vs. denominator debate rears its ugly head yet again.
You understand that Utah is 93% white and 0.5% black? ( hint: it was in the article )
… and he escalated the situation by fleeing police contact. This does not justify getting shot.
But thats not the question, it it?
Name one unarmed white person shot by police in recent memory.
I can.
Prove that a random passerby is not a threat.
They can be interpreted as two more victims, albeit alive, of faulty police training and counterproductive group mentality that stresses the feeling of being under permanent threat and readiness to use lethal force.
Black man runs by Panda door with arms at his sides. Three seconds later officer walks into view. Given the gait and stance of the officer presumably, at that point, the black man was face down, on the ground, dying or dead from gunshot wounds.
I guess you’re right. The black man was swinging his 2.5 foot fake sword back and forth, at his side, as he ran in terror for his life.
I don’t have to. This is the United States of America. We are presumed innocent. Our Founding Forefathers had the foresight to include that pesky bit to protect us from people like you.
All of that is irrelevant. Their actions are the only thing of relevance. They lied about what happened. Under oath. They shot a fleeing person, in the back, six times, killing him. There is no indication the person was a threat, to anyone, including the officers. There is no indication the officers had probable cause to approach the person.
If you have something, anything, to contradict what I wrote then, please, bring it. Any shred of evidence that the officers are not shit bags would be most welcome.
(sigh) prove that they are…
This is not unreasonable. Look, I am not fan of police militarism. BUT reasonableness is not the question here is it?
In what part of the scenario in question did the police officers diverge from expectation? When they went to the convenience store prowling for a black kid to kill??
I did not see any person die in the video. Are you sure that you are not filling in the blanks for yourself?
Similarly, I do not have to prove that he was.
And you understand that they are the targets of considerably more than 0.5% of police actions, right?
Of course it’s the damn question. He was shot without justification. What the hell did you think we were talking about?
There are roughly 8 white people in America for every black person. Can you name 8 unarmed white people killed by police for each person on this (quite far from exhaustive) list of unarmed black people killed by police in recent memory?
You don’t need to. You statistically assume they aren’t; most aren’t. The rest can be handled as such when they show actual hostility. That’s why you got all the heavy and hot body armor.
When they stopped acting as peace officers?
When they went in, pumped for action, full of deadly cocktail of adrenaline, testosterone, and fear.
Supposedly, the 911 caller told the dispatcher that the gun was “probably fake,” but that detail was not relayed to the officers. That doesn’t absolve the cop from blame, but it adds some for the dispatcher.
Annnnnd you understand that descriptions of suspects are proportional to the black incarceration rate?
I thought we covered this… OK, look, what is a justification for police to shoot a person?
This is a crucial question for me. I will not respond to you until you answer this question.
Proportional to the black incarceration rate? I wont let that go unconsidered.
Sure, Give me a list and a time range.
It really, really can’t be said enough: FUCK THE POLICE!
The County Attorney’s Office confirmed that when the officers showed up to respond to a 911 call about a man with a sword, Hunt asked them for a ride.
The beginning.
The idea that they need to be in total control of the situation is drilled into the aspiring cop at a very early stage. Later, when something happens, they’re so afraid of loosing control of the situation, they’ll always escalate the situation as fast as possible, to keep their victims unbalanced at all times. Also, racist m__therf____ers…
Sure, but there is a range of options between “do nothing” and “pump six rounds into his back” that still more than adequately fulfill the ‘total control’ criteria.
(I’m not arguing with you, BTW, just riffing on your thought by pointing out the obvious)
Aaaah, the timeless formula of “I’m not [Adjective] BUT [Bullshit]”.
Never gets old. Just more rancid.
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He didn’t DESERVE death. It was the consequence of his actions.[/quote]
No. His death was a consequence of the officer’s actions. The only question is whether their actions were justified.
I’m leaning rather strongly toward “no” on this one, as their story doesn’t pass the sniff test for me.
That topic is not missing from THIS “debate.” It’s a different topic. And it’s always diversionary, derailing, racist assholes who bring it up in discussions about the problem of rampant police violence against black men.
