New York primaries: Democrats' finance-affiliated fundraising superstar got his ass kicked by a young woman with a Democratic Socialist platform

Three points, and I’m happy to let you have the last word. First, you and I apparently have a different understanding of “ignoring,” given that I’ve asserted several times that I I agree with just about any recognition of Clinton and the DNC’s failures. Arguing that this is but one piece of the puzzle is not ignoring.

Second, the issue of what we have control over is not what we’ve been discussing. Recognizing why something happened is not the same thing as arguing that something is the most fixable.

Third, anyone who switched from Sanders to Trump didn’t believe in anything Sanders was saying in the first place and should be ashamed of themselves. Arguing about the primary doesn’t change that fact one bit.

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I’m like 85% certain he doesn’t understand what a primary election is and thinks Crowley lost to a Republican.

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Democrats switching from Sanders to trump was not a significant factor in the election. However Republicans that did not like trump, but voted for him anyway because they saw Clinton as worse is a HUGE number. Those republicans could have been persuaded to vote for Sanders.

And I’m not arguing anything about the primary. All I’ve done is repeat back what we all saw happen, and which helped push those uncommitted republicans towards trump.

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you’re expressing a lot of certainty about things that are literally unknowable.

Like, if things had been different then other things would have been different - yes, that’s a certainty.

But you don’t really know how things would have gone. All you have is the power of your imagination.

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This is great however why title the article so negatively? Shouldn’t we be celebrating Ocasio-Cortez instead of slamming Aleister …sorry, Joe Crowley? Maybe it should have read: New York primaries: Democratic Superstar Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez comes out ahead despite limited finances, fights against the old standard. …just an opinion.

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I’ll qualify. Its my opinion.

Fucking hell, it really is all about him, isn’t it?

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Crowley spent the campaign complaining that Ocasio-Cortez had an unfair advantage because she wasn’t white. This was possibly one last swipe at that idea.

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No one else even exists in his mind, bet ya anything…

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Yet again, it seems so. Like anyone who voted against Crowley did so because he wasn’t nice and respectful to Trump!

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Maybe so. Springsteen fandom really is a very white phenomenon.

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Hey, I like the Boss!

(Though I wouldn’t consider myself part of the fandom…)

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Oh sure, I of course didn’t say completely white. I do wonder though if anyone’s made a credible estimate of the racial makeup of his fan base.

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If they did, the results might be surprising…

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Ahhh! There is hope yet for loopy fear-mongering US politics.

And in Cali, we have an important test between two Democrats in the race for the 15th assembly district, perhaps the most progressive districts in the state. Jovanka Beckles, seasoned Richmond city councillor, and Buffy Wicks, carpetbagger big-D democrat darling. Buffy and outside PACs scrubbed any and all of her work for Hillary Clinton on the mountain of mailers I received during the primary… (someone called her Buffy the Bernie slayer).

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Clinton is the camel.

Republicans were sharpening their knives for decades. To some extent it’s not her fault and to a large extent it is. Regardless, it doesn’t matter. She had one job. She didn’t have to run.

I just wonder if the Democratic Party started running candidates who didn’t have massive rap sheets of conflicts of interest, where they had clear positions on the issues that could kill us in the next decade or so, what would happen.

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Trump is the natural end product of the last 3-4 decades of political/economic fuckery. If he hadn’t won against Clinton, someone just like him- possibly worse- would have trounced her in 2020.

There are a WHOLE LOT of things we need to fix, not just getting him out of office (although that is a necessary part), but actually addressing the conditions which allowed him to get there in the first place. People like Clinton and the third way Democrats need to go or we’ll just end up having this discussion AGAIN in 4 years. Assuming, you know, that we survive that long.

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Independents are the single largest voting block in the country, and represent 40% of the population who didn’t like either Trump or Clinton.

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It seems like a lot of folks (myself included for various reasons) are ambivalent about the fandoms of the art they enjoy. It seems entirely reasonable to like the art but not the fandom, especially this day and age.

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