Do you have proof of that? Actual proof, not just one or two people.
I mean, if you were going to say “feminism has a racism problem” or “feminism has a transphobia problem” - I would AGREE, actually. Wholeheartedly. Because… it does?
But seriously, the MRA movement is even more racist. And has even more transphobia problems. And is, of course, massively, massively sexist. If you think otherwise, I’d love to see some evidence. But I doubt I’ll get it, considering you previously have defended bigoted harassment before.
It would be nice if there was a consistent and coherent classification of “feminist branches”, because frankly, navigating several orthogonal classifications (“waves” are orthogonal to “radicality” and specific issue-stances like trans-inclusiveness or sex/BDSM/porn positivity) and a whole truckload of not-quite equivalent definitions of same terms is harrowing (how many definitions of, say, “objectification” even exist? I can recall up to four, but I don’t know of a source that would conclusively enumerate them)
I don’t think one can really say that “feminism” as a whole has a trans-exclusion issue. Mainstream feminists will just recoil in horror and say that it’s a TERF thing and beneath them, TERFs (and their allies) would agree, and you’ll be stuck at that.
And I think that’s potentially a problem, even if specific TERF issue appears to be resolving through natural selection
I’m talking about the time you said reddits that targeted kids - in particular, black, trans, female, and disabled kids - for harassment were OK, because those kids were “dumb”, and when I asked for proof that they didn’t harass others (because I have a LOAD of proof that they do) you ran away and didn’t reply at all because you knew you were advocating for a hate site that openly advertises itself as a friend to GGers and white supremacists.
Why don’t you go back to reddit, or did they ban your favorite Nazi subreddit?
I don’t like MRAs. I don’t like Gamergate. But seriously, this guilt by association and No True Scotsman stuff is bullshit. People find themselves on different sides of arguments. Some good people are convinced by innocent sounding statements that bad people say to legitimise their hatred. This may even be more likely to happen online, where the tribalist effect is exaggerated by the fact that you can find shitty people who hold almost any argument. On some other website in another part of the internet, people are probably bringing up examples of the shitty behaviour of anti-GGers to prove that Gamergate is being unjustly criticised by hypocrites, while the fact that some GGers try to self-police and call out abusive comments by their own shows that at its heart, it’s a peaceful group. I’m not even trying to claim that the main arguments of either group is valid. It’s just this “you have some sympathy for the views of group X. Obviously we both have the same picture of the essential and marginal issues, so you must support all of the ideas and actions of the worst people in this group”. It’s a way to dismiss a particular person who probably doesn’t actually look like your narrative, but it’s no way to have an adult discussion. If you focus on the trolls, it’s not surprising you can’t see anything else on the other side.
There you go. Now you can go make a new thread, and reply there with proof of your original outrageous claims which you never bothered to back up, but please stop pretending you don’t know what I’m talking about and calling me a liar.
