Oklahoma lawmakers want men to approve all abortions

It sure would be inappropriate; and bad; and wrong; and not in keeping with the civility of the discourse™; and stuff were someone to hit the ol’ Journal of Tropical Medicine to find something for this esteemed statesman to be a host to; would it not?

That would be the sort of thing that I would be duty bound to sternly disapprove of; and perhaps even tut-tut.

That aside; I here that there are some pretty cool candidates; most of which don’t even turn into screaming toddlers.(And on that note; I’m assume that any man who vetos an abortion is thereby committing to full paternal responsibility for the entire duration of kiddo’s upbringing? Right?)

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Your anger is misplaced. I’m merely talking about existing law and extending it in a hypothetical exercise to the possibility that technooogy might enable a male or the state to take over a pregnancy in the case that a woman wants to terminate. Don’t confuse this discussion with a position, or a hypothetical with an agenda.

Not me. This is a moral and ethical decision that has so many subtle nuances that a referendum could never satisfy everyone, except the small minority that wants abortion outlawed outright. It’s simply not a “yes or no” question. What if I have Huntington’s disease, and I don’t want to bring a baby into the world with even the slightest chance of it having the disease too? What if I accidentally get pregnant? Why should random people be making that decision for me? Besides, it’s already clear from polling done over the years that people don’t even agree on what the limits should be – rape? incest? How many weeks?

This is yet another case where the right wants a simple answer to an incredibly complex question (only the answer that satisfies them, of course). The only rational and moral way to deal with it is to leave it up to the pregnant woman. If someone doesn’t like abortion, he or she is welcome to not have one.

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And that’s when all our troubles begin . . .

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It’s called “catch breath” and it’s really helpful!

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Has anyone pointed out clearly to the right wing that such legislation would give abusive partners additional legal control over their victims? *

*would require them to acknowledge that a woman can be abused outside of unconsentual sex.

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The word you’re looking for is Theonomy.

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Just FYI:

My wife & I (of 25+ years) have 180-degree/opposite opinions on everything from the amount of salt &/or pepper on a meal, to the legality of abortion.

We LOVE each other and have learned that "it’ll all work out ! "

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Then maybe Oklahoma lawmakers should pass a law requiring the woman to approve her guy’s vasectomy.

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Why would you want to give them even more motivation to pass such a law?

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Exactly. They’d consider that a feature, not a bug.

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… and make it mandatory if she wants him to have one?

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And sometimes they expose the biases that we, as men, neglect to see within ourselves.

I try to learn from it when it happens to me. And it happens to me a lot, because I have so much privilege I can’t keep track of it all.

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I grew up in Tulsa, finally reached escape velocity 18 years ago. When I was 14, my 13yo best friend got pregnant. I can’t tell you how many times I heard the phrase “got herself pregnant”, like she slipped and fell into a puddle of semen. The amount of derision heaped upon her - and not her 19yo boyfriend - was ridiculous. She got just as much crap for having it as she would have for an abortion (one is a ‘slut’ and the other is an ‘unwed mother’), but she had it, and kept it.
I have been mortally afraid of getting pregnant ever since.

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Fuck it. Say it as many times as possible, everywhere.

It’s not condescending to tell the fucking truth, that misogyny is rampant and repugnant.

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Rep. Justin Humphrey should have been aborted. Any male who wants to insist that a woman go through with her pregnancy should be responsible for paying for the full support of the child and its mother through the first 22 years of the child’s life.

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We have reached the point where it is medically possible to implant an embryo into the abdominal cavity of a male and, with the proper hormone treatment have that embryo develop. (C section required at delivery time.) So if the woman wants an abortion and the male disagrees, just transfer the embryo.

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Why wasn’t he brought to trial?

Aside from that, where I’m from any high school senior (or graduate!) would face neverending social scorn for dating a seventh grader. Not just for the criminality, but because a teenager dating that far below his own age would be considered an irredeemably pathetic dweeb. Even a two-year age difference would have been pushing it.

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Super-duper helpful. “Any woman” of the world will certainly feel better about making her decisions today knowing that you’ve given prior approval.

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I think he was saying that, if the law requires any abortion to have the approval of a man to proceed, he hereby gives his blanket approval.

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