On the Hugo Award hijacking

[protytwo]

The Puppies keep suggesting that it was only after their complaints were ignored that they needed to use their recent tactics to address the problem, and they make the Hugos out to be some intractable bureaucracy. I have yet to hear how any one of the Puppies tried to change the Hugos at the Worldcon business meetings: the place where one goes to discuss and change the Hugos.

[churba]

To be perfectly frank with you, if the preaching bloody garbage that is Homonids by Robert J Sawyer can win a Hugo over China Miéville’s The Scar, or the enormously self-indulgent pile of utter wank that is Redshirts can win over 2312 or Throne of the Crescent Moon, then the supposed Legacy of the Hugos is not just dead, it’s in such a state that if it isn’t, we should do the merciful thing and make it so.

[Rindan]

@popobawa4u

I thought those were only building up to the awesomeness that was God Emperor of Dune. But it’s been so long since I read them that I might well evaluate them differently from my current perspective.

I think when the female Amazon sex masters from outer space invaded, and the only defense was a dude who is really good at fucking could hold them back… that is about where I lost it. I got through it all because I will finish almost any book that I start, but that one took some effort.

I think there is some iron law of old man sci-fi writers that the older they get, the more perverted they get. Heinlein went from writing about rebellions on the moon and semi-fascist military states to every protagonist being a bisexual lady who can’t stuff enough warm things into her. Peter Hamilton, who, fuck that guy, has some just awesome aliens, technology, and world building, can’t help but right in sex mad 18 year old looking girls who get all watery for guys… oh right around Hamilton’s age. It is getting worse as he gets older. I swear to god that guy loads up BARELY LEGAL TEENS in one screen and writes one handed with the other, gets his rocks off, and then goes back to writing some great sci-fi for the rest of the day.

For my money, the guy writing the Undying Mercenary series writes, by far, the best slut character. The male protagonist is kind of dick with women and will chase anything with a pulse, but it is actually a part of the character and one of his flaws. Even better, when he gets to doing the deed, the author mercifully fades to black instead of subjecting the reader to D grade bodice ripper writing. I don’t mind sex in my sci-fi. Humans do sex, it can be important, but I am so fucking sick of 60+ sci-fi writers wanking onto the page with what reads like closed captions for shitty porn.

[SteampunkBanana]

Someone had to stand up for the MRA’s, they’re too shy to do it themselves.

[L_Mariachi]

@Rindan

I think there is some iron law of old man sci-fi writers that the older they get, the more perverted they get.

You’re very much cherry-picking (no pun intended) your examples. And you forgot Piers Anthony. yes I know he’s mostly a fantasy author

[enso]

No fair. Anthony was always perverse. Age didn’t come into it.

[L_Mariachi]

@albill

Age didn’t come into it.

PHRASING!

[enso]

[jerwin]

No True Kwisatz Haderach

[adonai]

@anon61221983

Varg from Burzum (who’s in France, uploading dating videos)

Hmm, helping people find a soulmate who is both kvlt and trve?

[nickpheas]

You’d think that the Prometheus Awards for Libertarian SF would me pretty much what they were looking for, though it tends to get won by shifty lefties like Cory Doctrow.

[wrecksdart]

@RagingRoosevelt

I’d heard that the group was trying to show how arbitrary and silly the criteria for the Hugos was in an attempt to get the procedure updated.
It’s about ethics in short-story journalism.

There we go–FTFY.

[wrecksdart]

What @anon61221983 said, and thanks for putting that into a JPG so I didn’t have to actually visit the page of that vile person.

[manybellsdown]

I think one only realizes that Anthony has issues when the reader ages. It’s all delightfully transgressive potty humor when you’re 12 and “mature subject matter” when you’re 20. Then at some point you think “does he have to shoehorn teen sex and underage panties into everything?”

[enso]

I didn’t capture it but I used to read his LJ.

[enso]

@nickpheas

You’d think that the Prometheus Awards for Libertarian SF would me pretty much what they were looking for, though it tends to get won by shifty lefties like Cory Doctrow.

It must be a plot!

[jerwin]

Once is happenstance. ( Little Brother)
Twice is coincidence. (Pirate Cinema)
Three times is enemy action. (Homeland)

http://lfs.org/awards.shtml

[enso]

I’m hoping for #4 and #5.

[anon26940528]

@anon61221983

He’s like a 14 year old girl from 1999 or there abouts on his livejournal…

But back to writing Winds in Winter, George (I know you’re lurking here somewhere - shoo).

Don’t listen to her, George! I still haven’t read the first book and I want to catch up.

[popobawa4u]

[quote=“Rindan, post:83, topic:55439”]
I think when the female Amazon sex masters from outer space invaded, and the only defense was a dude who is really good at fucking could hold them back… that is about where I lost it. I got through it all because I will finish almost any book that I start, but that one took some effort.[/quote]

I agree that Herbert’s last two Dune novels were less inspired than those before. It seemed like he still had lots of ideas, but was lacking the focus to write good stories around them. Anyway, there are a lot of great non-Dune Herbert books, Dune unfairly overshadows his other work.

@Rindan

I think there is some iron law of old man sci-fi writers that the older they get, the more perverted they get.

As I lifelong pervert I can, um, get behind this. But I prefer if the perversity doesn’t come across as bad horny fan fiction. I can enjoy erotic in sci-fi if it’s well done. FWIW I loved Heinlein’s more outré work.