Ongoing coronavirus happenings

[anon3072533]

@Ratel

It occurs to me that this has all been fantastic for grocery store owners , who suddenly can’t keep products on their shelves, but probably the most at-risk occupation right now has to be grocery store employees , as they have to deal with some order of magnitude more people than even health professionals, and have even fewer resources for protection.

Yup, cashiers are up there.

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[anon68287401]

The figures I’ve seen are that 13% of people infected need to be put on oxygen and that 5% need a ventilator.

[lizard-of-oz]

@anon59592690

Could any of our German speakers translate this, please?

Trump reportedly tried to poach German scientists working on a coronavirus...

@DukeTrout

While the disease skews toward the elderly in terms of severity, there are people all over the world in their 20s and 30s who have needed ICU support and mechanical ventilation in order to survive.

That’s why I said you need to do the same for other people with a high risk, as far as I understand it we know quite well who these are. So even though we cannot identify all of them, there will be enough capacity in the hospital for those that were missed.

For that to happen we’d have to test daily those that come in contact with the people at risk, and given that the number of tests we an administer is limited, that might actually make a bigger difference than testing everyone - if, and only if we support those with a higher risk as good as we can.

@anon62122146

NO. That is as many as 20% of those affected. This is not only people in at-risk groups. If there are not sufficient hospital beds, the mortality can be 5%.

The best numbers we have are from this Chinese study, which is roughly your numbers, but only looks at those who tested positively and/or were diagnosed with COVID-19. But that is only a fraction of the number of people who actually were infected. We don’t know how many these were in Wuhan (~10 Million people), estimates range from 2-4 times as much. That’s what I’m talking about.

@Flapjack

That is a far cry from private doctors having to lie to the public because it will embarrass the party and then living in fear of persecution or extermination.

Of course it’s unacceptable that anyone is persecuted for speaking truth to power. This specific thing might then be more like what Manning and Assange are going through.

But I do notice some parallels between the response of the USA and the one in China, both governments attempted to make it look like they were in control when in fact they weren’t. However at the moment, China appears to have done things that work there, and the US is still struggling to get its act together.

[Mercenary_Garage]

@lizard-of-oz

@lizard-of-oz

You’ll still know how many are hospitalized, and how many die.

If the over 70ies self-isolate, and you do the same for other people at risk, what good would it do to know how many are infected?

IMHO it does make sense to test health workers and people who care for the elderly daily, because it appears that tests can prove infection before people are infectious.

Stop. That’s not how any of this works. Testing is necessary to make sure people who have the virus self-isolate. While the disease skews toward the elderly in terms of severity, there are people all over the world in their 20s and 30s who have needed ICU support and mechanical ventilation in order to survive.

A few minutes ago on the UK Channel 4 News (Which BTW is superb) they just announced that not even all healthcare people are going to be tested.

The UK approach to this is a horrorshow!

[anon62122146]

@lizard-of-oz

The best numbers we have are from this Chinese study, which is roughly your numbers,

Yes. Importantly, as you mentioned, those are the best numbers we have.. That means, until we have better numbers, we should act and plan based on those numbers.

[anon15383236]

@Mercenary_Garage

A few minutes ago on the UK Channel 4 News (Which BTW is superb)

Sorry if this is a bother, but might there be a web site for this, or is it subscription only?

[gatto]

@Ratel

It occurs to me that this has all been fantastic for grocery store owners , who suddenly can’t keep products on their shelves, but probably the most at-risk occupation right now has to be grocery store employees

and… this is why more grocery stores should be worker or community owned.

the smallish store i work at continues to be swamped by customers, only now we aren’t getting our big warehouse deliveries. maybe monday. as big box stores run out, we’ve been getting phone calls like: “do you have groceries?”

the store works pretty closely with local farmers and local food producers - right now those are the only things we’re getting in.

we’re washing our hands like mad, cleaning surfaces til they gleam, have installed hand sanitizer dispensers for cashiers and customers.

doesn’t seem like there’s much else to do. i imagine we’ll stay open as long as there’s food to sell, and workers to sell it.

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@Faffenreffer

Be careful out there.

thanks @Faffenreffer!

[Mercenary_Garage]

@anon15383236

Sorry if this is a bother, but might there be a web site for this, or is it subscription only?

I honestly don’t know. It used to be broadcast TV and now it comes in on some box thing. I’ve never actually owned a TV myself…

Hang on and I’ll see what I can find online.

(I dont work for Channel 4 News or anything, but it’s easily the best news show I’ve ever seen)

[robertmckenna]

@Mercenary_Garage

Sorry if this is a bother, but might there be a web site for this, or is it subscription only?

I think 4od is not geoblocked anywhere (so not like the BBC player) and it has live TV and a huge archive. Most of it’s rubbish but there is also a load of great things ranging from 80s classics like a very British coup to Derry Girls from last year and loads of european crime drama.

Edit
According to the Internet you need VPN in the USA. Don’t know why it works in Ireland.

[DukeTrout]

@lizard-of-oz

That’s why I said you need to do the same for other people with a high risk, as far as I understand it we know quite well who thmese are. So even though we cannot identify all of them, there will be enough capacity in the hospital for those that were missed.

Still wrong. Some of the people in Washington had nothing in particular that put them in a high risk category - non smokers, no history of pneumonia, no hypertension.

[BakaNeko]

Everybody knew him and his ideas, and yet they voted for him.

[Ratel]

Sounds familiar.

[Mercenary_Garage]

@anon15383236

Sorry if this is a bother, but might there be a web site for this, or is it subscription only?

I think this is the clip…

https://www.channel4.com/news/uk-coronavirus-deaths-rise-to-21-as-trump-extends-travel-ban-to-the-uk-and-ireland

[ficuswhisperer]

Jeremy Klemin (JeremyKlemin)

[anon59592690]

https://www.channel4.com/news/

You may need to follow the link to All 4.
Definitely free in the UK.

[anon27554371]

@teknocholer

These simulations show how to flatten the coronavirus growth curve

My DH and I watched these animations several times last night.
We agreed the whole piece is highly illustrative.

I said something like “probably only the literate and numerate people are going to understand this.”
He agreed.

@anon29537550

If only more people would see this, or believe If they did.

Truth!

[robertmckenna]

I just turned on The Handmqiden (the Korean version of Sarah Waters’ Fingersmith) right now.

I’ll save starting the mirror and the light till tomorrow.

Its going to be a long isolation.

[Purplecat]

For the non-UK people in the thread, Channel 4 news is a good, high quality source for UK news. It’s the “serious” version of ITN news, which provides broadcast news for the UK’s main commercial TV networks:

ITN

If the BBC is getting leaned on by the government of the day, c4N is a very useful source- they won awards for their coverage of the Iraq war, and they broke the Cambridge Analytica story on TV.

[RickMycroft]

@robertmckenna

Its going to be a long isolation.

I’m saving a Doctor Who season binge-watch for later.

[anon67050589]

@robertmckenna

According to the Internet you need VPN in the USA. Don’t know why it works in Ireland.

Didn’t Trump already explain that Ireland is “basically the U.K.”?

/s