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Okay, but do you believe you are left alone because men who would otherwise disrespect you believe that you are an instrument of violence who would punch their lights out?
If this man treated some other man like this, and the other man met him in the parking lot afterwards and left him bleeding on the ground, then the other man would be arrested, and possibly jailed, because a person who will engage in grievous bodily harm just because someone else was annoying is not someone who should be allowed to roam free.
So, no, I don’t think there would be any meetings in the parking lot because I think most functional men are wholly capable of realizing that beating someone up in a parking lot is likely to have severe consequences. That people think otherwise is severely alarming. (Even aside from laws, street fighting is a generally terrible idea for all involved.)
The result of a confrontation isn’t the point, it’s the awareness that pushing a man can lead to a physical confrontation is greater than pushing a woman.
I’m not able to track your point if you are thinking otherwise.
So you think it’s malicious disregard rather than callous disregard?
I think the two camps on this issue probably align with those people whose knees are pressed against the seat in front of them before the seat is ever reclined and those people who have plenty of leg room no matter what.
And what other result of a physical confrontation are you imagining here?
I wholly expect most people regardless of gender – and certainly not all but 2% of men!? – would be thoroughly averse to a physical confrontation.
Oh, ha. Funny. Assigning morality to the movement of a seat back.
Yawn.
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I’m baffled we are debating whether a male physically antagonizing a male is no different than a male physically antagonizing a female.
I’m baffled that you think the only reason is because of the threat of violence.
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Never said that.
Yes. I got in a lot more fist fights with surprised men before I transitioned. If I look annoyed, cisgender men are more likely to back down. I am heavily tattooed and grew up rough, so yeah. I think my propensity for aggression is something that cis men take into account when dealing with me.
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Reduced to ethical bare bones, these arguments all come down to:
- There is an action I can take that will marginally increase my comfort for a period of time.
- I am entitled to take the action unilaterally.
- My action may affect the comfort of a specific fellow human. Not some faceless stranger, not some diffuse group, but an actual real person who is literally close enough to me to touch. A person that I can have a conversation with about my intended action.
- Regardless of the affect my action will have on my fellow human, the increase to my comfort is the only factor I will consider in my decision as to take the action or not.
- If my fellow human doesn’t like what I did, it sucks to be them; I was entitled to take the action I did.
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I think it’s more a matter of respect between equals.
Women aren’t equals and don’t deserve respect; therefore, you can say or do anything you want to them.
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Recently I had some drinks in the “Connie” bar at JFK; this is inside a restored 1958 Lockheed Constellation. I was struck by (a) how narrow the seats seemed to be, but (b) how well-cushioned they were, and (c) how much legroom there was. None of the recline brouhaha would have been an issue in that plane. (Of course, the seats also don’t recline…)
(BTW, both as a bar and as a period experience it was pretty mediocre; I’m pretty sure that they didn’t serve drinks in paper cups in 1958. Plane is cool however.)
Wrong. You must not have read what I wrote. On long haul flights, everyone reclines. It’s expected and considered normal. So much so that many of us are willing to allow more encroachment on our space to get a little more comfort. It sucks for everyone, so everyone chills, flops every direction, and shares the space.
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I think Someguy is suggesting you are driving trollies and quilty of intentional semantic moronicism.
Just my opinion.
Yup. I had a flight with family with randomly assigned seats since seating together now costs a premium that was beyond our budget for a party of six. I asked at the gate if they could seat some of us together and they happily obliged. Not until we were in the non-recliners in the very back row did we understand it was a raw deal. I would not have taken it out on those seated in front of us, but as the airlines are doing these things to cut costs and increase profits, they can only expect more of the same.
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If I implied this, I’m sorry. But I suspect this is only a strawman.
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