This /\
And those people who have the blocks that prevent the person in front of them from reclining? Fuck them.
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I agree that his actions were not justified and the situation sucked.
We’ve got that going for us… Which is nice!
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Final comments: Then I will leave this thing alone…
- Somebody doesn’t fit in their seat - Why does this become everyone else’s problem to fix?
- Like it or not, the seats are designed to fit the majority of people, including the reclining feature.
- If you are large, you are already taking up additional resources (fuel, space, air, etc.)
- If we had to put ourselves into boxes and mail ourselves, do you not think we would be charged extra for additional volume and mass?
- If you are uncomfortable, you can always move. If you can’t move, you can stand in the toilet. Lots of space there.
- If you can’t deal with other people in close quarters for a couple of hours, consider alternative travel arrangements instead of taking out your hostilities on strangers.
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While I disagree that both are in the wrong, I agree that it is long past time for the FAA to step in and stop passenger compression.
If she can’t recline her seat then no one can as she would be in the same predicament the asshole was and could start hitting the seat in front of her, right?
He very well may have done the same thing to a male passenger. He would also be doing that fully aware there is a 98% greater chance he is going to be met in parking lot.
My wife and I had a similar drama on our flights back from Phoenix in January. We were in the second row of first class (Unexpected upgrade for the win!!!). The guy in front of my wife looked like your typical upper class white dude. My wife and I set up our computers to try and get some writing down while enroute.
Dude slides his seat back and knocks my wife’s laptop over. The seat was janky, and like fell back, or he threw himself back, I am not sure which. My wife leaned forward and asked him if he had to recline because she was trying to write and her laptop had fallen over.
Dude loses his goddamn mind. “I paid for this. Are you telling me I can’t have what I paid for! It’s my right to have every inch I paid for!” That kind of thing. I think I might calm him down, and tell him she was only asking. She was trying to write on her computer and his seat knocked it over.
Manbaby then pulls his seat up and slams it back multiple times.
I tell my wife to change seats with me and not worry about it. Dude is a total douche bag. I say this loudly. I am 5’6" and it won’t bother me. My wife is 6’2" and there is shit tons of room in that area, but not when dude is repeatedly slamming his seat backwards.
We switch, and then dude gets a look at us. We are heavily tattooed, and suddenly he stops, and puts his head down. He didn’t even get off the plane first, like his row was. He literally hid from us.
The way I see it, airplanes are shit. Nobody is comfortable. They make an insane profit, and still make seats tiny all over to wring out another fare.
Sure you can recline your seat, but you can also ask someone not to. That’s it. Nobody has to be a dick. If they want to recline after you’re asked, that’s cool. Don’t throw a temper tantrum. If you are asked, just say no thanks. I would like to recline. No temper tantrums.
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Can we just skip this step and get to the one where they sedate us and stuff us in tubes? I think that would be more tolerable.
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I’ll vote for the flight attendant being the biggest asshole, because they have the power to take action against asshole passengers.
Of course, I may be biased. I once got a ridiculously snotty, passive-agressive “apology” from a flight attendant, who clearly thought my complaint was unworthy. Worst in my 64 years of living (and flying).
Obligatory:
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Oh yes, you can clearly hear him mainsplaining throughout the video. Why stop there? If you zoom in you can see the fedora stored in the overhead compartment. Or not.
Is that it? Is that seriously it? Is there a pervasive belief that the only thing stopping some men from treating other men the way some men treat women is the threat of violent physical retribution? Despite the fact that we, y’know, live in a society that is supposed to have very unambiguous laws about that in particular!?
I mean, yikes. That is not a take I am familiar with. (I guess it might explain all the guns?)
The parking lot…of a passenger jet?
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I’m a lifelong frequent flier (aviation family), the seemingly recent anti-reclining movement that has been building online has had me a bit mystified. This thread has helped clarify things for me a little bit - it seems that there are at least two distinct arguments against people freely reclining, (although that’s a basic designed longtime function of the equipment). 1) that for some body-types it presents an inordinate invasion into personal space. 2) that it interferes with certain electronic device usage in flight. #1 is totally understandable, culturally we respect and make allowances for reasonable personal space limits that flow proportionally to variable boundaries of individuals forms, (within the limits set by the airlines as has been discussed). #2 is a little weird though - and kind of feels a bit like the territorial struggle for social acceptance that using smartphones in public places like cafes went through, but way more contentious. (That this debate has coincided with the rise of laptop and smartphone usage has given that impression).
Are people really arguing that the right to use a laptop totally unencumbered should surpass basic bodily well-being? Is there some kind of quasi-coordinated internet movement to shift norms on this?
(hadn’t considered the coinciding factor of the shrinking spacing as another conflict driver).
Almost all body types, I’d wager; airline seats in coach are practically torture devices, they’re crammed in so tightly together.
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Sadly true, 5’9" here and can only imagine what it’s like at other ranges. So … maybe the thing is that reclining seats have always been a problem for people, and it’s only with the forum of theweb that the issue has been given the collective voice/societal-feedback necessary for it to be realized at scale? (Not to get all meta, it’s just kind of fascinating how polarizing certain debates on the net are, e.g. cars-v.-bikes etc.)
Yes.
It’s not even some. It’s most. Just having the physicality to ‘project’ the willingness to go down - can help you avoid situations. The world is not a safe place in general - and while I hope you are never confronted with that personally - you shouldn’t let yourself get complacent - the veneer of civility that we assume can dissappear all to fast - and you don’t need a gun or a weapon - just the ability to not be shocked/surprised and keep a level head can save you.
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I’m a petite 5’5", and I still feel completely squished whenever I have to fly.
I think that may indeed be the case.
“Fascinating” is one word for it, I guess.
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Plenty of people are able to have a drink and chill out a bit. Problem is, they’re never the ones who make the news.
I am quite large so the seat in front of me is always in my lap, reclined or not.
Also, I once had the opposite problem: a seat which was permanently reclined and couldn’t be kept in the upright position. Very annoying.
For me, the flight attendant should have told the woman to put her seat upright.
