"Political Correctness"

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That there does seem to be the root of the problem. Looks like moving the goalposts.

Never going to happen though.

So? How much better would soccer be with a bigger goal? Make the games score high enough that bad umpire decisions donā€™t make all the difference, and poof - no more soccer riots.

If itā€™s broke, fix it.

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Stop, that makes way too much sense.

The money is always all in keeping the status quo just as it is, not fixing any problems.

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I was talking about the original post of the cartoon, not yours - @Mausium put that up, not me. I donā€™t feel like I called you stupid or made fun of you at all. Iā€™ve attempted to have a measured conversation with you, as youā€™ve asked. If you donā€™t think Iā€™ve done that, well, please point out where Iā€™ve gone over the line, Iā€™ll look at it and see if I have.

Youā€™re entitled to your opinion of course, and I strongly disagree with it. I think we can agree to disagree on that. I happen to feel that ā€œpolitical correctnessā€ as @anon75430791 discussed at the beginning is indeed used as means to discredit people pushing for a more equitable society. You disagree, and think itā€™s used as a weapon against men and whites, then fine. I strongly disagree with that. Clearly, Iā€™m not going to change your mind on that and thatā€™s fair enough.

Last, I would really appreciate it if you got my fucking name correct. Itā€™s not Mandy, itā€™s Mindy. If you cantā€™ be bothered to give me the basic respect of GETTING MY NAME CORRECT, then we really are done here.

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Oh, I get it. You crazy feminazis hate men so much YOU WONā€™T EVEN ALLOW A MAN IN YOUR NAME. :wink:

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But is ā€œitā€ even a cohesive thing? It isnā€™t like thereā€™s a department of political correctness (at least with that name) through which all complaints are handled. Can it rename itself, when itā€™s been named and (deliberately vaguely) categorized by opponents who invented their own enemy?

Language cudgels are language cudgels, and self-appointed people call this cudgeling ā€œPC.ā€ Quite often they are wrong in this labelling, sometimes they are right. But ā€œPolitical correctnessā€ doesnā€™t have clear opponents and proponents the way that the ā€œAnti-PCā€ rhetoricians would like to imagine (or, at least have others imagine). Bringing it up in this way is merely to try to make a brickman out of the strawman they themselves have invented.

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If youā€™ll see my reply down below, I was referring to the original posting of the comic, not his repost.

Also, my name is Mindy, not Mandy. But you know, all us women look alike, especially those of us who are shrill members of the PC police! :wink:

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Actually purposefully misstating someoneā€™s name is a trick to make them feel less than and throw them off their game. I hope thatā€™s not what heā€™s doing, and will give him the benefit of the doubt thatā€™s it was a slip of the keyboard. Then again, the A and I are on opposite sides of the keyboard hereā€¦

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Mandyā€¦Man die?

:scream:

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Can we (and Iā€™m asking, not demanding) cut singleton some slack?

Heā€™s a young guy ā€“ from his other posts heā€™s apparently still living with his mom and step-dad. Thereā€™s a lot of learning we all did at that age, and beyond.

Heā€™s an active participant in other areas on the forum, and - I think - fitting in, generally.

Iā€™m not saying ā€œgive him a free passā€, heā€™s been quite rude in this thread! ā€“ but can we remember our target audience, and not carpet-bomb him with our displeasure?

Is this a condescending attitude towards singleton? Yeah, I guess so. In the sense that I donā€™t think his mind has ossified as much as ours (generally speaking, as I believe ā€œweā€ [posters in this thread except for singleton] areā€¦ somewhat older on a range). Iā€™d certainly approach his (yours, if youā€™re still reading this thread!) posts differently if he were 46 years old, say.

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She wants to keep the use of man to the bare min.

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Okay, you guys are funnyā€¦ can we stop now.

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Paging Occamā€¦

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Paging Hanlonā€¦

You mean more than individuals like myself have already given him?

Nope.

Want some basic respect?
The benefit of the doubt?
To be treated as a unique yet imperfect individual who has their own valid perspective?

Then thatā€™s exactly how one should treat others.

You get out whatever youā€™ve put in.

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The frustrating thing is that the people who use the phrase have no clue what it means, nor do they care. They create a conspiracy and no amount of logic can dissuade, theyā€™ll continue arguing against something that only exists in their head and ignore you, or (irony of ironies) get whiny and offended when you donā€™t respect their opinion. They want to sit at the adults table while being able to make all manner of juvenile ā€œjokesā€ with the smug ā€œlighten up, libā€™ruls!ā€ rictus.

Their discussion of the ā€œunfairnessā€ of social consequences for certain speech would seem to indicate that they donā€™t understand free as in legal is not the same as free from judgment, when 99% of the time their prize choice of speech is also judging someone else, the ability to lie without being called out publicly, or the attempt to push through anti-science narratives. For that reason, conservative political think tanks love to get Libertarians, ā€œindependentsā€ and self proclaimed Republicans riled up about ā€œPC fascismā€, because they get their mouthpieces to sell their lobbyist trash for them, astroturfing all the way while the lay think themselves freedom-fighters and ruggedly independent thinkers.

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Paging Mr. Hermanā€¦

I was going to launch into something about the phrase being so flexible that it means very little, but I think @ActionAbe already has it covered. To the extent that ā€œPCā€ actually means anything, it tells you more about the tribal affiliations of the speaker than anything that the phrase purports to describe directly

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Specifically, the liberals that supposedly use it as their bible donā€™t ever use the phrase beyond responding to attacks, ala SJW.

Itā€™s very existence is a lame cudgel for which to attack.