Pseudoscientific terror ended fluoridation in Calgary, now kids' teeth are rotting

Ok this might sound odd… but I think the map in your post is slowing the BBS and my browser to crawl every time I try to scroll past it, this happening to anyone else? Or is this just on my side (If that’s case the case I’ll delete this post)?

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Happens to me too. Remake the image into a href link - the image itself is in insanely high resolution (11692 × 8267) and it is the cause of trouble.

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The image file is broken, which is affecting my browser’s performance too.

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Tried to replicate. @codinghorror may have a better notion of what’s happening. It might be that the BBS hasn’t uploaded the image to be hosted locally yet, as it tends to do automagically.

EDIT: Set it as preformatted text for now, so as not to break things.

EDIT 2: Fixed. Weirdly, I wasn’t having any problems, even with that huge image size. My internet isn’t even that fast… weird. I didn’t download it, just hotlinked, and I don’t think Chrome would cache something that big.

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I imagine taking a screenshot of the said image and then inserting that in its place would work as well.

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Or a scaledown by Irfan View or ImageMagick or anything else.

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That’s exactly what I did.

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[quote=“peemlives, post:60, topic:74001, full:true”]I knew a guy whose mom liked to drink Jim Beam and distilled water. Not exactly for me, but I like her style.
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I used to have a “vegan” mate whose diet consisted entirely of instant noodles, whisky and MDMA.

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“Of course too much is bad for you! That’s what “too much” means!”

  • Stephen Fry
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fluoride depending on area in naturally in water at far higher PPM than when the water is dosed, so I assume you let your butt type that nonsense.

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Oh the 90s. I do not miss you.
(Cream of mushroom soup for me. Instead of the instant noodles)

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A so-called “naturally” occurring fluoride ion, one that might be in your drinking water by virtue of dissolution of mineral fluorite, is a particle with 9 protons, 10 neutrons, and 10 electrons.

The fluoride ions present in drinking water due to fluoridation, even if we assume that they are the byproduct of some industrial process (and I have yet to see any evidence that this is true (and I have never seen any evidence that this is true), are all exactly the same: 9 protons, 10 neutrons, and 10 electrons.

Please, explain to us all, how two exactly identical particles can have different chemical, physiological, and toxicological properties? Atomic and molecular properties are well-understood in terms of the behaviour of their electrons as predicted by quantum mechanics. Explain what quantum mechanical theoretical basis you have to believe that two identical particles can behave differently. Physical, chemical, and toxicological properties of something as simple as a fluoride ion are easily ascertained by experiments any high-schooler could perform. Explain the experimental evidence you have that demonstrates such differential behaviour. Explain how the origin of a fluoride ion makes any difference to the health impacts of that fluoride ion.

You can’t. So why do you believe the source of the fluoride ion to be relevant?

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I find it difficult to believe you’ve never heard of a dose-response curve. Is there a reason you choose to ignore the obvious implications of such a simple concept? Is there a reason you cannot grasp the idea that 0.7 ppm (recommended Health Canada levels of fluoride in drinking water) and 1200 ppm (fluoride in a typical toothpaste) are different values?

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Fair enough, we’re apparently a tad worse at brushing our teeth. However, consider Denmark (never), or Sweden (barely dabbled in the 60s and 70s), or Finland (a single city, until 1992), who score at the same level as you. :slight_smile:

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I think I now know what the fad diets of 2030 are going to resemble.

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Please refer to my previous comment on the percentage of a country’s population in poverty and how easy it is for those IN poverty to access dental health care, i.e. poverty index and health care access/price in the United States vs. all of the scandinavian countries you listed.

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Evidence for rotting teeth in Calgary is where? Since fluoride exists in a number of products other than tap water it’s unlikely that much rotting would be more likely. Also, since elevated fluoride has a negative association with cognitive ability, why isn’t fluoridated water considered a threat similar to lead in water?

I have to agree with @tailoftruth here. Too many factors to look at an aggregate data and draw substantive conclusions.

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Ever heard of “look before you leap”? I would like to introduce you to a similar concept: Read before you comment! The answer to your question is actually in the original BoingBoing article, but here, I’ll repost it JUST for you: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cdoe.12215/abstract

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Is it dumb or uneducated?