Sanders may well be the only one who can beat Trump. Unless Bloomberg comes in and drags off a bunch of Trump votes. Hillary is exactly the establishment that Trump is tilting at. Sanders isn’t, at least in the eyes of voters (reality may differ).
Also, I think the post I made in this thread last night after three Old Chub Ales had a higher density of obscure references than I’ve ever achieved before. I should probably refrain from posting when my head has its own weather system.
Kind of was? in a way that wasn’t. He was consistently framed internally and externally as centre-left, droves of evidence are available if you can’t recall the time, most of that is in the form of articles from the centre-right warning him away from being too liberal, both before and after he won.
No I would have noted the distinction. You listed his insurmountable(s) in this manner: (Socialist, Jewish), but I accept your clarification, and deliberately included a warning against thinking you were being anti semitic.
I agree about Sanders self labeling, but while he has done that, it’s mostly others, and since at least late last year he’s been pushing himself as a “Democratic Socialist” which is grating for me since where I am we utilize “Social Democracy” very frequently for it’s utility and accuracy.
I’ll take his religious stance with a happy smile, he is one of the few, the proud, the honest people that don’t pander to religion by insincerely parading their own piety and using that too as a way of one-upping opponents. Way way too common that stuff.
Note that I laid that 100% at her supporters, though back then she wasn’t above the occasional muted dog whistle. At least it makes her uncomfortable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfidftLe5Z0 I think she knew as she said it that she should have provided that as dry demographic data, instead of the way she did. So I’m not saying she’s above it, I’m saying she knows better. That sort of thing is what supporters are for.
And current polling backs that up too. RealClearPolitics’ model has Clinton up by 3 on Trump and Sanders up by 6. HuffPost’s model has Clinton up by about 4 and Sanders up by a whopping 10 (and actually earning over 50% support). Bernie Sanders is the only candidate for either party with net positive favourability in polling.
Polls at this stage are hardly the last word. But people who want to argue that Sander is electoral suicide are arguing against what the polls are saying, so the burden of proof is on them, and they can’t make their point by talking about Clinton’s experience or Sanders’ bad hair.
Yeah (for me, personally, anyway, but I’m sure you suspected) anything other than Sanders makes no sense to me and makes me queasy, too.
Are there any prominent conservatives here that you like (that aren’t running, I mean)?
Yeah, honestly, I was only half-joking there. I suspect you’re right about her upbringing, which is sad. No one should be raised to think that their only proper role in life is serving others. I think it’s a fine choice to make with one’s life, but not when it’s the ONLY choice one is given…
[Angry mumbling from Karl Rove]
they could do that, if teh popular vote broke for Sanders, but that would demoralize the democratic electorate and mean that the demograhpics Sanders is doing well in won’t come out in November, because they’ll be pissed off. I suspect if that happens, Clinton will lose and then we’re all going to be staring down a President Trump come January. If Clinton pulls ahead and takes more delegates via popular vote, then all is not lost and the democrats still have a good chance of winning, because Trump is so alienating. So, I think we’re either going to see a november election where the we have a massive turn out, or we have an election where the turn out is dismal, based on what happens between Clinton and Sanders in the next few months.
Wait… what?
OH! thank god… you did such a good job, I thought it was real!
Me too, on the first one posted I just scanned at didn’t notice the “Two Donald Trumps” in the middle, so I thought the actual ballot had Donald Trump first and Donald J Trump last. That did not set off my “obviously fake” senses - I could actually believe that would happen (by a stupid mistake, though, not as some sort of ill-planned conspiracy).
I tried to fit “Ted Cruz (except really Trump)” in to help it jump out, but there wasn’t enough space.
I almost think you should go with the plain ballot except with Donald Trump at he beginning and Donald J Trump, you know, a nearly believable mistake that people could read as a conspiracy. Then we could tweet it around and see if it could go viral.
Use his real name, “Rafael Cruz”, to confuse old Republicans expecting to see “Ted Cruise.”
Middle aged and older voters will remember Pablo Cruise’s presidential run back in… 1977. Which explains why he didn’t get many votes.
I don’t know much about how this pertains to immigrant labour, but that is a dumb as hell law that Moses wrote. I would bind the crap out of the mouths of the kine that treadeth my grain. The alternative is fat kine and an empty grain store.
This probably relates quite closely to my opinion of how politicians and businesses should be treated.
Hmmm… I think you need to clarify what “older white men” means in this context [said the older white man.]
My dad’s over 80, his best friend for the last 40 years has been a Jew, his daughter has a PhD from the Sorbonne and chairs a department at a prestigious university, and he’s been stashing away college money for his black and hispanic grandchildren for over a decade.
What he’s frustrated and angry about is the lack of economic opportunity for his grandchildren*, not about any perceived loss of power or dominance.
I’m sure there are some people who fit the pattern you described, and I’m sure those people will vote for Trump if they can get someone to wheel them out of the nursing home, but far too often we assume that older people are racist or that they have some common motivation rooted in racism. It’s an easy answer, but it doesn’t account for the sheer numbers here - unless we are willing to engage in the same kind of blanket stereotyping that we normally call racism, sexism and agism.
*and also that his legs and brain don’t work right any more, but that’s a separate issue.
That is not what happens, empirically. The commandment is still followed, reportedly, in [some of the] places where oxen still are used on the threshing floor.
But if you don’t like that one, howsabout “The laborer is worthy of his hire?” (1 Timothy 5:18, again referencing Mosaic law, and again basically saying that God wants you to pay fair wages and not cheat your employees.)
I’m totally cool with the idea of paying employees the full value of their labour - but I’m not willing to assume that an ox has the ability to calculate this or the wherewithal to stick to it.
