Republicans flummoxed by prospect of Trump picking up Jeb's votes

“I’m for the politics of me!”

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No more and no less than Cruz.

I’d put his principles, ethics and sanity ahead of Mike “we must tear up the Constitution to protect the sanctity of traditional bigotry” Huckabee.

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true,

which is why he is a legitimate candidate who deserves to be on those debate stages.

Now, if only he could come up with a plan that at least pretended to obey the laws of mathematics…

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On the plus side, we still get front-row seats to the full-on civil war going on the Republican Party.

Take a look at Free Republic lately? The only thing they seem to hate more than liberal agendas is each other: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3400304/posts#comment

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Any comment on Hillary’s win over Bernie this weekend?

Seeing a Clinton win in a state legendary for mobbed-up, corrupt politics doesn’t exactly peg the needle on my astonishment meter.

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I’m not exactly optimistic about winning any election soon with facts, but I wouldn’t give up on the hope that the truth can make a difference. It’s not really human nature to be a narrow-minded idiot, it is a learned behaviour, and we are capable of learning other behaviours. Well, up to a certain age anyway. The purpose of pointing at the failure of the policies of the last couple of decades is more to influence younger people who will eventually have a say. And it appears to be working, as they are saying - in huge numbers - that Sanders has the policies that will actually help.

Ha. Trump doesn’t have a dog whistle, he has an air horn.

Trump is so loud people don’t even notice how insane the others are. Let’s not forget that Cruz and Rubio also want the government to put women in prison for having abortions. How’s that for “small government”? Trump’s overt Nazi-esque policies against Muslims are terrifying, but the apparent Republican establishment position that women are elaborate incubators rather than people might be almost as terrifying.

Honestly, if it were somehow up to me to choose between Trump, Rubio and Cruz for next US president, it would be an agonizing decision, and from what I know now I couldn’t entirely rule out Trump.

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A TLDR version for anyone who hasn’t the time;

Republicans be like

“I shit teh bed and now the sheets are dirty and smelly!! Why are my sheets dirty and smelly, it makes no sense!!”

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Republicans occasionally refer to their party as the “Party of Lincoln.” Presumably because he never made it out of the 1860s either.

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To be fair, this describes their environmental policy pretty well. I occasionally feel that anti-environmental positions aren’t the result of some pro-business stance, but just laziness.

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When I saw Trump defend the Obamacare mandate that all Americans must buy insurance so that insurance companies can’t deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions, then he followed that up by saying he doesn’t want to see people dying in the street, I was kind of floored. But then he pretty much retracted those statements a day or two later and everything was back to normal.

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I’m pretty sure that for many the anti-environmental position is a product of an “if they’re for it, we’re against it” stance more than anything.

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Spite, baby.

As a leftist myself… Much as I know that logically it’s a bad idea, the amount of joy I would get from destroying the smugness of the liberal assholes who constantly lecture about how everything I want is impossible, patronize me constantly, lie to me about all sorts of bullshit and constantly concern troll me while pointing out that if I don’t support them then someone worse will win… Goddamn if the appeal of someone like Trump actually winning isn’t real.

I think that’s the thing “liberals” don’t realize, they create this sort of spite even in their allies and it is an incredibly powerful, incredibly human instinct to respond with spite to attempts to diminish, minimize, patronize and delegitimize. It’s not even a bad thing, it’s the instinct that allowed “fair play” as a concept to flourish as much as it has. And I’d say Trump is incredibly at creating it, but the truth is the establishment on both sides are incredibly at creating it and Trump is just an incredibly effective channel for expressing it. (Not that he doesn’t do his part to stoke the fires, but the sentiment was there long before he was)

What I’m saying is, if you tell someone “You’re not allowed to have a seat at the table, and we plan on ignoring all your concerns, but we promise we’ll act in your best interest”, you really shouldn’t be surprised when they respond by trying to burn down the building with you locked inside. It’s practically an American tradition.

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Oh, he has principles, though they are few and far in-between. One of those principles was “Fuck John Ellis Bush”.

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He doesn’t want to see Americans dying in the street. American should die either: 1) in prison; 2) in Muslim work camps; 3) on streets he does not visit.

Damn right! I think a lot of Trump supporters are in it for the hate. And I am halfway there some days. Maybe this town America does need an enema.

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So…typical politician then?

It was reported of two 1930s politicians that while at Oxford, finding they both intended to go into politics, they decided to toss a coin to decide who should join the Liberals and who should join the Conservatives.

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I think that’s a big part of his appeal.

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What’s interesting to me is how Sanders managed to narrow the lead the way that he did. It went from a 20 point deficit to her eking out of win by only a few points.

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Holy shit. I think I’m in the same boat. That just sent a chill down my spine. The upshot is that I’d vote for a single-celled life form or a half-dead houseplant before any of those creeps. Bernie, Hillary, whoever.

People talk about the conservative resurgence, but I’m an upper-middle-class home owner with law enforcement in the family and they don’t even remotely appeal to anyone in my family. That’s not a good sign for the GOP.

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I’m having a hard time finding any conservative I know who likes anyone of these guys. Not a single one of them that I know like Trump. None. Anecdotal, I know, but there it is.

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Would you say you are flummoxed by the prospect?

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