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There is in fact sections of Torah law concerning treatment of laborers some of which applies to non citizens. The best known statute requires payment of wages at the end of a dayâs labor, and AFAIR this applies to both citizens & non citizens. I donât want to be more specific since I donât have all the relevant parts of Talmudic qualifiers handy.
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Not even one, not even a little bit. When I thing of any of the choices on either side actually winning I get kind of sick to my stomach.
America has made a moral promise to the world on immigration on the Statue of Liberty, and itâs one I stand for:
Rather than immigration policies, I think the focus should be on livable wages, healthcare, and labor rights of all legit US worker bees.
For me, the problem is that weâve allowed the worst of our greedy bosses to take advantage of those for whom we provide a more civilized and peaceful life. I fault the profiteers who maximize their earnings at the expense of their workforce, not the people who leave their homeland to escape persecution.
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Thank you. Since the question was framed as a âmoralâ question, Exod. 12:49 is on point and urges the same rules for strangers and natives.
I donât know the contemporary orthodox interpretation of that language. I see that @Israel_B weighed in too but doesnât have at hand the texts he needs. Iâm afraid to ask how evangelicals interpret it.
There are lots of other ways to consider the question. Legal, political, economic . . . If GOP evangelicals stick with a âmoralâ argument about the strangers among them, they wonât keep their kids in their camp.
Or they could follow their own professed morality and stop supporting wars, walls, police violence against black communities, women and LGBTQ bashing.
Thereâs already speculation that many younger evangelicals raised in conservative GOP families later identified politically as independent as young adults â after enjoying lots of Colbert Report and quietly voting for President Obama.
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Someone else doesnât like Trump.
And again, see the reasons.
But +1 for the freakishly tiny hands.
I will never vote for Donald Trump because heâs a pro-gun control, pro-single-payer health care, pro-eminent domain, pro-abortion, and pro-statism liberal who will immediately revert to form when heâs finished selling his fauxservatism to people he patently views as rubes.
I will never vote for Donald Trump, because absolutely nothing he can say or do will cover the fact he is obviously and blatantly lying every time his thin lips move and his freakishly tiny hands pound the podium.
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Exodus 12:49 does not mean what you are claiming. It applies only to the previous line regarding the Passover sacrifice.
As with any legal code there are operating rules as to how to understand the text, cherry picking words and phrases to claim meaning beyond what is established is not a good idea.
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Not surprised we disagree about this @Israel_B â except that is good advice.
Exod. 12:49 is consistent with the general principle in Lev. 19:34.
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This popcorn, it nice.
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I know itâs mostly a joke, but I think itâs important to acknowledge the literal truth of what youâre saying.
Older white men grew up in a world where someday as adults they would be king of the hill. Blacks, women, Jews, etc. would know their place. Iâll bet that child wasnât formally instructed on how to act in public because it would be assumed that OF COURSE she would obey. But children are not respecting their fathers the way they âshouldâ anymore. Itâs not just fear that motivates the older right wing crowdâŚitâs also frustration and anger that they have lost so much of their former power and dominance in our society.
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I know itâs not pretty to realize that there really exists a big old block of flat-our racist voters who love Trump for being openly racist, but thereâs a big old block of flat-out racists who love Trump for being openly racist. They are backlashing against a party thatâs kept throwing out the dog-whistles but hasnât delivered. They now have their man so the old dog-whistle tokens can be dispensed with. This is confusing the crap out of the movement conservatives who did drink the Kool-Aid, but who are a much smaller minority than they realized.
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I loved this distillation from Wanderfound
Seeing these factions tear apart a party that hasnât forwarded a decent presidential ticket in decades?
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Those arenât negatives, and âThe Jewish Obamaâ is one of the most hilariously smallminded things I have ever read in the comments here.
Thank you @petzl we all need a good laugh from time to time.
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I will never vote for Donald Trump because heâs created a political culture that revels in its own willingness to be conned and governed only by its talk-radio-fueled rage.
What planet was this guy on for the last 25 years? How does a ânational Republican media consultant and campaign adviserâ miss 25 years of this before Trump finally ran?
Trump didnât create it. Heâs the end result of it. 25 years of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Fox News, WorldNetDaily and all the rest stoking impotent rightwing rage against âthe establishment,â including Ted Cruz, Fox News and the rest of the Tea Party stoking impotent farther-rightwing rage against the âRepublican establishment.â It wasnât Donald Trump who a couple years ago was declaring any Republican in Congress willing to do their job to be RINOs and traitors, campaigning to replace REPUBLICANS in Congress.
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Ha! Hilarious! I disagree with this man on some aspects of governance, but I love a person that knows what they are about and can express it effectively!
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If Trump had run in 2004 or 2008 as a Democrat, how would he have done?
Would he have been able to motivate the same numbers of people? What would he have done to the Democratic party?
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Seeing the plutocratss languishing in agony that the fundamentalists and racists arenât falling into line yet again is one of the few delightful things in a contest between genuinely horrible people.
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Would he have been able to motivate the same numbers of people?[/quote]
Not at all. The Democrats didnât have a Ted Cruz, WorldNetDaily or Tea Party constantly attacking the âDemocrat establishmentâ and declaring moderates and traditional Democrats and well, adults really, to be âDemocrats In Name Onlyâ and traitors. It didnât have a Fox News to give an anti-Democrat establishment crowd a podium and bullhorn.
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Firstly there is a difference between specific commandment and general ones. The Exodus line was a specific qualifier regarding one commandment. Here in Leviticus you have a general commandment regarding social behavior in a specific case whereâs the resident stranger is known to recognize God as the sole diety but not having undergone the process to become a Jew (read as citizen here).
See http://m.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9920#showrashi=true where the Rashi comment clarifies the line. Where it says B.M 59b thatâs a Talmudic citation
Edit: fixed an autocorrect error
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The old stuff is all over the place. You are forbidden revenge in all cases, but youâre also required to take extravagant, genocidal revenge. I remember Amalek, too. Itâs impossible to take it all literally, which is why thereâs a whole profession based on arguing about how to interpret it correctly.
And thatâs why I referenced Paul of Tarsus; he was a good Jewish boy before Jesusâs orbital platform blasted him with the pink laser, and his reading is pretty straightforward - the God of Israelites wants people to be nice to each other (for a change) and treat each other with consideration.
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