Republicans flummoxed by prospect of Trump picking up Jeb's votes

To be fair, every daughter reacts like that to their dad at that age.

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When you think that the antichrist will come as a wolf in sheep’s clothing; going for the scariest ice-cold-motherfucker-with-acid-blood you can find is almost a rational strategy.

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My Texan relations have selected Sanders over Clinton, among both those who will and won’t vote Democrat. Not that it matters in relation to the actual vote, they’re being in Tx and all.

I think in general Sanders anti-establishment stance would win him favour, even if the establishment he would form wouldn’t necessarily reflect what they want. Sanders has socialist bent, but accurately describes himself as a democratic socialist, I think supporting what I think of as a social democracy, which is a version of what is had now.

I think it’s a disservice to clump up all the people on the right as incapable of understanding what sort of socialist he is, sure lots are wrapped up in ridiculous hyperbole, but not all of them. I talk at length with conservatives on both sides of our border and find them human. (caveat: except for a few family friends the only conservatives in the US I talk to are family these days, excluding customers)

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60s? SK was governed by the military until end of the 80s.

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Sure… so it’s a factual statement, yeah?

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That’s Saskatchewan for you.

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but kind of misleading : )

In what way?

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ā€œwere still sth.ā€ sounds for me as if the something is in the final stretch

Fair enough…

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Oh I quite agree that Trump loves cheap immigrant labor. What I’m saying is that it’s not immoral for American workers to be against cheap immigrant labor.

Unfortunately, the rhetoric around is all too often racialized.

Totally true. My dad wasn’t a sleazy politician I would have reacted similarly. I am a little surprised, though, that they didn’t have some kind of media training before trotting them out in public.

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Why would they give her media training… she’s a girl child, her future is in the kitchen, popping out christian soldiers.

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You’re doing the Lord’s work.

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In my experience? Most of them don’t. They don’t think it’s fixable, and they don’t think Trump is going to fix it. They just think Trump is going to make the people at least arguably responsible for it (or barring that, someone) sweat and suffer a bit, that he’s going to hurt them. He’s going to put the fear of god into the illegals that are working below market wages AND the people who are hiring them, even if he ends up not being able to actually do anything about it.

It’s not about sensible policy. It’s about lashing out. It’s the working class conservative version of a riot, of breaking windows and burning down buildings that are only tangentially related to the problems at hand. ā€œThe language of the unheardā€, as MLK would say. These are people who feel like they have been ignored and slighted for decades by the people who claim to represent them, who have no one fighting for them, and Trump is promising to hurt the people who’ve put them in a situation where they can’t win.

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@Israel_B may correct us — me, anyway — but isn’t the prohibition against mistreatment of cheap immigrant labor one of if not the oldest of western moral principles?

I didn’t mean to imply that it was! Americans traditionally pay a fair rate to all immigrants, and only stiff the indigenous peoples. OK, bad joke, but now I understand how we got offtrack.

@AnonyMouse, are you saying the answer is socialist realist art? I can find no examples featuring Donald Trump, so maybe you’re on to something here.

ā€œFor it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not bind the mouths of the kine that treadeth out the grain. Doth God care only for the ox?ā€ St. Paul’s letter to the Corinthians, referencing Deuteronomy 25:4, said to derive from the Devarim of the Torah, which was (arguably) written by Moses.

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It’s the electoral equivalent of being unhappy with the hotel service and so deciding to shit in your bed. It will suck for you, but by God it will suck for someone else too.

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