That would make the claims more veritable, wouldn’t it?
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God, I want to find all those old Mormon cartoons, but people STILL sell them via a MLM scheme and they’re near-impossible to locate on sites.
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Or a urolith!
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Maybe they’re all just talking through their hats.
"Finally, according to the testimony of Martin Harris, Mr. Smith often used the “seer stone” in place of the Urim and Thummim, even while the later remained in his possession, using it as a mere matter of convenience. It seems almost too bad that he should thus inadvertently give the whole thing away. You must understand that the Urim and Thummim spoken of, and called throughout the Book of Mormon “the Interpreters,” had been provided with great care over 2500 years ago by God himself, for the express purpose of translating these plates. They are often mentioned in the Book of Mormon as exceedingly important. They were preserved with the greatest care, handed down from one generation to another with the plates, and buried with them in the hill Cumorah over 1400 years ago; as sacred as the plates themselves. So sacred that only one man was allowed to handle or use them, the highly favored prophet, Joseph Smith himself. But now, alas! After all this trouble and pains and care on the part of God, and on the part of so many holy men of old, this “Urim and Thummim” is found at last to be altogether superfluous; not needed at all. This “peep stone” found in a neighbor’s well will do the work just as well, and is even more convenient, “for convenience he used the seer stone.” So we are left to infer that when he used the Urim and Thummim at all, it was at some inconvenience. And probably he only did it out of regard to the feelings of his God, who had spent so much time and anxiety in preparing it so long ago, and preserving it to the present day for his special use!
(The Golden Bible, 1887, pages 250-51)
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Ha! An all-powerful, all-knowing god who can be anxious. That right there is proof that either the writer is completely talking out their ass, or their god is just as mentally fucked up as it’s creation.
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I like the old gods for that reason. Petty and horrible, but with less of those “all-good” pretenses used to justify atrocities.
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At least they’re self-consistent in their bloodthirstiness.
I don’t understand how any christian can make sense of the necessity of jesus:
God knowingly and intentionally creates humans he knows for a fact will fuck up. Then he gets mad that they fuck up, even though he knows exactly what will happen and had already chosen for it to happen. Then he says, completely arbitrarily, that since a couple of humans fucked up, that means everyone fucked up. He then goes on to decide that any kind of fuck up means that you have to die. Totally unnecessary. He could have just not decided that. So then he sets up a sacrifice system that’s wasteful and callous so that he can smell nice things and not worry too much about the humans he made to fuck up, fucking up. Then he decided that he’s going to kill himself as a sacrifice to himself so that the humans he made to fuck up don’t have to keep wasting the best of their livestock.
Then he goes complete 180 on his own human-god sacrifice of himself to himself by raising himself from the dead making it not really a sacrifice anyway. It’s more like a long weekend at a motel.
Then he says as long as you fuckup humans believe this completely bullshit story where I intentionally make you guys fuckups but then kill myself temporarily, I’ll be nice to you.
Then Hitler comes and kills a lot of people, regardless of whether they believe god killed himself for a little while.
At leas old testament god was slightly less schizophrenic. Just a ragaholic.
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I debated including this in that wall of text above.
That raging Old Testament God Jehovah? (Hebrew: יהוה, anglicised YHWH) The Mormon version is that Jehovah is the premortal Jesus. Same guy somehow. Your flower child and your ragahol addict.
In Jesus the Law of Moses is fulfilled because those commandments were given to Moses by premortal Jesus/Jehovah and it was all part of His plan the whole time.
That’s also how Michael the Archangel becomes Old Testament Adam and Gabriel the Angel becomes Old Testament Noah. Pre/Post Mortal.
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Eh, they’re just trying to cover up nonsense, with more nonsense.
Well it is turtles all the way down.
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Joseph Smith was a better general and traitor than he was a theologian. He had a standing army much larger than the US government’s and had aspirations to take over the country. He might have even succeeded if he didn’t get so caught up fucking other people’s wives and children.
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I swear that is where Lovecraft got all his ideas.
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Lime, celery, pimentos, bits of cheese in collagen-goo. It pretty much proves that if Eldridge horrors and elder gods exist, they indeed are indifferent to our suffering and pain.
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