Reading comprehension failure on my part, post since deleted. Now if it was consumer goods and media they would be hosed for trying.
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I recommend an edit noting āincomplete dataā and directing people to the other link. The site I provided allows users to view using whatever parameters they choose, including time span. Default is 2002-2013, which I like because it shows that Russia suffered a poor economy at the same time that we went through our own recession. No matter where we live, we can be blind to outside influences.
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I guess weāll have to wait and see how they really react. Rumors (I know - Rumors are just that, Rumors) are that the EU is already planning to appeal to WTO have the embargo lifted. If itās not going to do anything, why bother?
I flipped you previous statement because it seemed so absurd that Russia was terrible for appearing to be threatening. While the US, well, you already know.
They seem to have pretty good track record of deescalating some pretty tense global situations lately. Situations that the US has done its best to escalate.
Well, theyāve been under US imposed sanctions for how long? Can the US pressure the world to also add Russia to the club?
I guess thatās why BRICS is gaining traction and the embargo will only help strengthen those new trade markets.
I gonna go way out on limb here and maybe try to defend/explain this. Some of this happened because of the chaos that emerged with 1) collapse of the Soviet Union and 2) Yeltsin. Some of the solutions to these problems are not the ideal ones, but Russia is a totally different culture than the US.
Gotta call BS on that one. What would Russia gain from a destabilized neighbors? Ukraine is a major trading partner for them. The current civil war going on is not good for Ukraine nor Russia. Thereās no country on Earth that wants a war near itās borders.
Is there is really no greater threat to the current hegemony than some (to paraphrase) āabysmal, corrupt, broken, on the edge of bankruptcy, kleptocracy governed by a sociopath douche bagā?
Honestly, Russia might be the only alternative. The paraphrased quote could apply to huge number of current governments, but the difference is that Russia is asserting its sovereignty. Itās tried of the prolonged US/EU containment campaign against it and is finally taking action to create a different narrative than the one the US keeps trying to saddle with it.
Weāre so used to watching countries back down and get squashed when threatened by the US, that when one doesnāt it can be a bit unnerving.
-stayed up too late, hope at least some of this makes sense
I forget these werenāt widely known. I grew up watching the farm reports on the early morning news, and consequently knowing exactly how much grain the US was selling to the USSR.
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Howās work at at 131 Lakhtinsky Prospekt? Did you earn your 1,180 rubles today? I donāt blame you for being such a moronic shillā¦ $36.50 is still a lot of money where youāre from. I also hear if you put in a full eight hour day of this you get a free lunchā¦ is that still the policy?
Since we are on the topic of BRICā¦ only a few short moths ago there was talk about whether Russia should even be in that group:
From Business Insider - 10/13:
āOver a decade ago, economist Jim OāNeill coined the term BRIC. The acronym was used to identify four fast growing economies that by 2050 would be bigger than the current richest economies in the world.
China has been living up to those expectations. But many have questioned whether Russia, Brazil, and India deserve to be part of the group. In the recent past, experts argued that Russia and India should be replaced by Indonesia.ā
BIIC perhaps?
At that time Russian manufacturing had suffered through three-straight months of sub-50 HSBC PMI readingsā¦ which means that the sector had been contracting. Ouch. How will that improve under the current circumstances?
[Just trying to give you a shot to keep earning those rubles and a free bowl of beets!]
Canāt sanctions be bad for both sides? It seems the argument is over whether Russia wins or the west wins, but I think less communication between the two is bad for both. This is a game of egos between Putin and western leaders.
Assuming trade was efficient to begin with (it should be for it to be happening?) this will increase prices for things on both sides. Increased food prices are bad for poor people on both sides.
Putin seems like a psychopath (so does my own Prime Minister, to be fair) and I understand the challenges in dealing with him. But just because talking-it-out seems like it probably wonāt work doesnāt mean that puffing-up-our-chests will. How did Obamaās bright red line go in Ukraine? Oh right, he had to backpedal and find an excuse to do nothing.
Iāve read Putinās foreign op eds. Whatever quantity of bullshit they contained, he is clearly smarter, better at spin and stronger willed than my āleader.ā I donāt think that this conflict is good for us, and I donāt think he has an interest in taking over the world if we donāt do this.
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And which leader would that be? Itās very convenient that you fail to mention where you are from. Afraid of the rebuttals? Which prime minister are we talking about here?
I hope this is being said in jest. I live in Canada and my prime minister is Stephen Harper. But in case we are being real here I am a bit flippant to call him a psychopath. I donāt actually think he has a disorder that prevents him from empathizing with other people or feeling guilty. I think heās actually just a garden variety asshole who, having attained power, cares about absolutely nothing but keeping power. If I think the worst of Putin then my Prime Minister is nothing but a lesser copy (to my benefit).
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Isnāt it because a lot of the rest is financialization? If the agricultural sector is gone, what will you do? Eat money?
Like, e.g., electing the wrong guy in the South America? Monroe Doctrine, anybody?
And thatās why BRICS is working on their own parallel bank system. And thatās good because the US (face it, EU plays the second fiddle/lapdog here) hegemony is getting stale and irritating. An alternative they cannot control is sorely needed.
The less effective the methods to interfere with other subjects are, the less the hegemon(s) will be tempted to use them.
I hope that you comparing the prime minister of Canada to Putin is whatās in jest. Last time I looked the Canada prime minister wasnāt supplying any rebel/separatist groups to destabilize countries for his own plutocratic interests. I donāt see any propagandized jingoism programs in operation (CANADIAN PRIDE NOW!!! 
Did advanced Canadian anti-aircraft systems didnāt kill 300 innocent people in a commercial jetlinerā¦ did I miss that? Iām also confident that Canada is not a Russian/Putin style kleptocracyā¦ not at least until the world runs out of maple syrup and hockey pucks.
Hyperbole is all fun and gamesā¦ until you OD on it. Do a little researchā¦ get out a little moreā¦ it might do you good.
Monroe Doctrine? Reallyā¦ thatās 1820ās. Jeezā¦ how about supporting your relatively thin point with something fromā¦ ohā¦ I donāt knowā¦ the last CENTURY? Maybe the Guano warsā¦ thatās at least the 1880ās. Cāmonā¦ you can do better.
That the thing originated in 1823 does not mean it did not last for annoyingly long time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_doctrine#Cold_War
Read this and learn.
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Will you be posting anything today that does not include a personal attack?
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I know all about the Monroe Doctrineā¦ and itās certainly not uniformly accepted as being some sort of uberinfluence (Noam Chomsky aside). Butā¦ youāve clearly missed the point. There are DOZENS of good examples of the US screing around in Latin American politics from the last century that are much more egregiousā¦ should I pick one? Read this and learn:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_dā%C3%A9tat
Where am I being profane? What āattacksā? I am pointed but not combative. Is āAfraid of the rebuttalsā some sort of code I am breaking? Iām not intending to flameā¦ soā¦ please educate me.
I reread the tl;dr rulesā¦ and I donāt consider my posts bullyingā¦ or being a āHostile, whining hand-wringerā. If I am pointed on this issueā¦ okā¦ but I am not some sort of bully!
Well, obviously this line is here just to try to get an emotional rise out of me, so mission accomplished with that.
Oh wait, I never said anything remotely approaching that!
Letās be entirely clear here. I said that Putin was a psychopath and you are mad at me because I also dislike another person.
I made a post saying that I donāt think we can engage in grandstanding against Putin productively and you latched onto a mild sideswipe I made against my own leader in the middle of it without making any kind of substantive comment on my point. Take it back to your philosophy 101 class.
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Valid example. But it isnāt it (and other such stuff there) within the spirit of the Monroe Doctrine? Isnāt the doctrine pretty much about āweāll mess with Latin America because it is our turfā?
