It compares more than just obesity.
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āPS: In many cases the āew, stinkolaā face is the face passive aggressive cowards make to tell you they donāt like what youāre doing, even in cases where itās none of their fucking business.ā
The situation I was referring to was a large muscular man puffing a cloud into the face of a 8 year old girl. Was she being passive aggressive? I think not.
āUse words like a grown up and people will often do what you ask them.ā
Really? Where is this peaceful utopia of which you speak? I live in America, a place where people very often do things they know they shouldnāt really be doingā¦but when called on it, more often than not, take umbrage and get defensive and angry.
āSpit/Rain is not comparable to Vapour/Exhalationā¦ā
Know any close talkers? Itās damn near the sameā¦
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E-cigarette or not, the guy was clearly an asshole.
Where is this peaceful utopia of which you speak?
I wouldnāt call it a utopia in most ways, though life is pretty good here: Australia. I purposefully trolley passive aggressive people in meatspace. Itās fun and we donāt have so many guns so Iām not at risk of being shot.
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I didnāt even know Mountain Dew HAD caffeine elsewhere in the world, until I moved to San Francisco for a few months in 2000. Oh, the glorious, caffeinated Mountain Dew, how I missed it so when I moved back to Canada! I was pretty thrilled when they brought it to Canada, finally, though Iāve mostly weaned myself off pop in general these days, sadly.
Also, I had no idea that we could get codeine OTC here. Neat.
You need to ask the pharmacist for it, same with Sudafed these days. And be warned, they give you serious side eye when you ask for it, so donāt act sketchy! LOL
But yeah, they totally have OTC codeine, formulated with aspirin, or with acetaminophen and I think with ibuprofen. All the flavours!
Gotcha! 
Or perhaps just donāt want to have to breathe it.
Arguments such as āBut itās vapor, not smoke!ā and āBut it only has nicotine, not all the other stuff!ā may be true in so far as they go, but neither gives anybody the right to put those not-quite-as-bad things into air that I am about to pull into my lungs.
Yeah. Nicotine is bad pollution. Not good pollution, like petrocarbons and radioisotopes.
well, iāve seen many, many more arguments for banning them completely, than for just banning their use in public. theyāre separate issues, and iām not really against a ban on public use.
on the one hand, as iāve computed it, the second-hand effects are quite negligible, especially compared to, say, smelling a steak being charred (seriously), which happens all the time at restaurants and no one seems to care except some vegetarians. never mind walking down a sidewalk by a busy road. internal combustion engines are way worse than e-cigs, but i guess thatās different.
on the other hand, i wouldnāt be opposed to a ban on public indoor e-cig smoking anyway, mostly because blowing vapor around is an asshole thing to do, whether itās medically dangerous or not.
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Iāve never encountered an e-cig smoker/vaper/whatever in person, so I have no experience with this - is there a noticeable smell in the second hand vapour exchaled from e-cigarettes? If so, yes, I would happily support a ban on this - the same way I would support a ban on people who wear too much perfume/cologne in public. Itās just rude.
personally, i donāt notice a smell. with the more heavily flavored ones you might smell a bit, but it would be similar in intensity to someone eating skittles or mints next to you. they are usually flavored with the same artificial flavors.
at any rate, itās much, much weaker than even small amounts of perfume or cologne.
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One of the only things that bothers me about e-cigarettes is that the fluid is quite toxic. I once spilled some in a grocery store and realized that an infant might, however unlikely it may be, get it on their hands/mouth and get sick or even die. I immediately cleaned it up with a napkin. Nicotine strength is also sometimes misestimated.
Be careful, yāall, especially if you mix your own, for your own sake and othersā, and to keep it from being over-regulated.
Royal College of Physicians : Support Ecigarettes
āDespite the controversies, it is clear that e-cigarettes are far less hazardous than is tobacco. With more than a million UK smokers using them to help to cut down or quit smoking, they are proving to be valuable harm reduction and cessation products and could make a substantial contribution to reducing the burden of death, disability and poverty currently caused by tobacco smoking. Health professionals should embrace this potential by encouraging smokers, particularly those disinclined to use licensed nicotine replacement therapies, to try them, and, when possible, to do so in conjunction with existing NHS smoking cessation and harm reduction support. E-cigarettes will save lives, and we should support their use.ā
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Not really. Terminology often sticks around long after it is applicable and does not indicate a bias. You still ādialā a phone number and āhang upā when you are done. You ātune inā to a TV show and āturn the channelā, announcers will say āDonāt touch that dialā, even YouTube is named āTubeā. You send an e"mail". You still ārecordā or ātapeā a show. You āroll upā a car window and the motor has X āhorsepowerā, in electric cars people still āstep on the gasā. You ācut, copy, and pasteā text. You āeraseā things. āB-Sidesā are the outakes songs from an album, and āmix-tapesā are custom collections of songs. A collection of changing pictures is a āslideshowā. I could go on all dayā¦ Pointing out that electronic ācigarettesā have no āsmokeā is missing the point that they are still called cigarettes, they arenāt technically cigarettes at all, they are electronic-chemical-vaporizers.
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serious question, if it is the āsmokeā that causes cancer, then why does āchewā cause just as much cancer?
Isnāt it also banned from many public establishments despite not being smoked?
(seriously asking because i donāt know the answers to either? iām sure iāll look it up in depth later, but hopefully a helpful bb person will point me in the right direction.)
the reason is, obviously, because āchewā is also smoked (and cured), which introduces a lot of nitrosamines. and no, itās not banned in public; youāll just look like a hick spitting into a bottle every few seconds.
indeed, Swedish snus is fresh oral tobacco (needs refrigeration) which is remarkably less carcinogenic, though still not exactly safe.
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thanks for the info. i had no idea that āchewā was smoked and cured. iāve never chewed myself and really donāt know the first thing about it. uh oh, isnāt bacon smoked and cured as well? i do eat baconā¦or that somehow a different process?
Learn something new every day. Thanks! Are vaporizers sold with a nod and a wink up there like head shops in the US selling āglass artā and ātobaccoā hookas?
Iāve never been a smoker, but I would oppose that ban. Blowing vapour around is what we all do when we breathe, and the rapidly dissipating visible āsmokeā from these cigarettes is probably the part we have to worry about the least of all the products of āsecond hand breathā.
As for the concentrated fluid, there are a lot of substances that adults deal with that could be dangerous to kids if used in the wrong way. Donāt leave dangerous stuff lying around, whether itās bleach or e-cig fluid.
My only real objection to using e-cigs in public is that they look like normal cigarettes and Iād rather not water down the social opposition to smoking around non-smokers, especially children. Thereās also the idea that children could see smoking as cool based on this, or think of e-cigs as harmless because theyāre used in public without any objections. I donāt see a lot of evidence for this though; on the contrary, I see e-cig smokers as people who are trying to take control of their lives in an area that is famously difficult to control, so I would support them and explain that to my kids if they saw someone āsmokingā in the same room.
Haha, what? Thatās like saying beer isnāt allowed to have alcohol. Iām sure that someone somewhere enjoys kinderbeer, but, uhā¦
