That’s prior to the vote. All good stuff to make sure people can actually cast a vote and not be disenfranchised.
But, it’s independent and doesn’t address the mechanics of how the votes work when they are cast. A party with some guts and long term vision should have pushed for this type of change since Ross Perot.
Two important notes on that.
According to that twitter screen shot. The total number of Clinton voters that did not vote for Obama is 20.5%, while the total number of Bernie voters who didn’t vote for Clinton is 23%.
And Obama wom so we don’t need to gloss the possibility of a split vote. So yeah, no matter how narrowly you focus on just the folks who voted Trump in this one study. More Sanders voters refused to support the nominee.
To the extent that “what about” matters in pointing out that that happened in the first place.
No Iowa did it. And they do this sort of shit a lot. The caucus has been a fuck show in at least the last three primary cycles. And it was mostly tin foil hats and trained animals before that.
It’s just you can’t really spin this as the National party trying to fuck Bernie.
Iowa insists on a caucus. And the Iowa party gave Bernie what he specifically asked for. Then fucked it up Iowa style.
So of course Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton formed a secret tech start up to steal the Iowa caucus. That follows right?
Or if you look slightly down thread apparently the Jews did now.
Great.
Hail Hydra?
I appreciate the time and effort you put into that response, but I don’t agree.
BTW: Paper Ballots, why the hell can’t we do this nationally?
Because, FUTURE? Or because that would not make some asshole rich…
HANGING CHADS!!!
National standards for elections?! This is Murca!
One of the better systems I’ve seen over the years was essentially a Scantron ballot box. When you finish filling out your sensibly designed paper ballot with pencil, you feed it through the box’s scanner (which helps tally that box’s votes) into a locked container. No touch-screens, no Internet connections, no other BS. The only thing missing was a receipt printer confirming the voter’s choices were recorded accurately.
You just know that the Florida Dems are looking at what happened in Iowa and mumbling “hold my beer”.
They are like that here in Virginia.
Always wonder… that’s not a shredder machine is it?..
Same one, because it does remind me of a shredder.
None of this one machine mark and count crap, no fancy bar codes or machine only readable markings. Bubbles, filled in, that both a machine and person can read. These have been around for decades, it’s not rocket science. (Fine, technically, a line isn’t a bubble, but it’s functionally the same where used as a filled in bubble.)
Edit:
No receipts. It’s a secret ballot, not a reversible ATM deposit or withdrawal. Show the count if you must, but really all it should do is indicate you voted the correct number of times in each race, no under or over, once confirmed it’s recorded and stored vs spit back out.
And hey if it breaks or a manual recount is required look you have all the paper ballots right there.
The competing vendor was probably Lev Parnas’ Fraud Guarantee.
Precisely. Plus, the ballot box machine I saw was unsexy and ugly in a way that suggests to me that serious engineers have tested its functionality and reliability to hell and back.
The receipt is for the voter, who’s just fed his ballot into a literal black box and wants to check or alert staff to a problem. An actual shredder for the receipts nearby in the polling place would be useful.
off loading of general computing into the walled gardens of phone apps is one of my most hated things to have happened in the past while. I can’t even buy a nice camera, or drone, or camera drone, or robot toy, without most or all of its features demanding I use a phone app which then tracks me for their resale of my data.
the worse is when the app is just a wrapper for html5 anyways. Wha Tha Faq people!
If the receipt says who you voted for then your boss, your abusive spouse, or the person who bribed you can demand you bring it to them to prove you voted the way they wanted. There are laws you aren’t even allowed to take a photo of your ballot for that reason.
The receipt doesn’t have the voter’s name on it. There’s nothing connecting it to the voter. A rule that the receipt can’t leave the polling place would be a good one, though, for the reasons you mention. A minute to check it, then hung it in a shredder.
A checksum number might be even better, but that’s not going to be intuitive for most voters.
