Society of the spectacle? Discussions on the Mass media

I kind of need that in animated gif form… maybe I’ll make it later today once I’m home.

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Harris’s Fox interview was more hostile but fundamentally the same as the one on 60 Minutes and every other elite outlet: Every question a gotcha, zero interest in eliciting anything illuminating or helpful to voters. You’ll learn much more about her listening to one of her podcast appearances.

I haven’t watched any of her interviews, podcast or legacy media, but from clips and write-ups, podcast interviewers seem to be far better at asking questions.

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I didn’t see it because I started and it was obviously racist and disgusting and I turned it off because there was nothing I could do but note that it was racist.

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Imagine how he felt: he had to stay and take it.

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While watching The Daily Show’s recap of this week’s news, I thought Desi Lydic’s comment at the end was a great one about the media (linked at 17-minute mark):

I recommend watching the whole video, too. I can’t believe I have to rely on comedians to cover points many news outlets just gloss over or completely ignore.

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This is possibly the most ridiculous op-ed ever published in the Wall Street Journal, and includes the most ahistorical statement I have ever read in a major newspaper:

Fascism historically was “national socialism”—government control over much of the economy. By that definition, Democrats today are the national socialists

And it’s important to note that this editorial is not the work of some guest right wing MAGA pundit. It’s the work of the WSJ’s editorial board. Absolutely unbelievable. I don’t think even the NYT would print nonsense like this.

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Democrats today are the national socialists

Kathy Bates Lies GIF

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See, the Republicans may look like they are doing most of the things the Nazis did in the early years, but if we only focus on this one minor detail that barely registers on the list of the Nazis crimes (and only because of the larger crimes that the Republicans are copying) then the Democrats are the real Nazis.

:face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

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I struggle with how anyone could say that with a straight face… Holy shit…

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I’ve heard it before. It’s nothing new. The thing is, I usually hear it from some high school or college edge lord wannabe who recently discovered Ayn Rand and Libertarianism, and then discovered that “Nazi” stands for the German words for National Socialist Party, and they suddenly think they’ve discovered something amazing. “OMG, did you know the Nazis were socialists? That it’s actually a far left ideology?! Wow, so the Dems are the real Nazis!” It’s an old argument, and it’s always been bullshit. What I didn’t expect was to hear that argument from the editorial board of the fucking Wall Street Journal. They know better. I know they know better.

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“So what other Nazi propaganda have you decided you trust?” would be my normal response, but I think the answer here might be a lot. :disappointed:

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My goto argument is always East Germany, whose official name was the German Democratic Republic. You can’t always trust the words people use to tell you who they are. See also: the Holy Roman Empire which was none of those. Damn, my examples are all Germanic.

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Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. Because we all know how much the Kims love democracy.

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Even if it wasn’t by Voltaire’s time, the Holy Roman Empire at least started as imperial, a little bit Roman, and as Holy as any other organization could claim (for a while you could argue the pope or emperor as head of Christianity, with swords). The other examples are just outright lying.

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Well, the National Socialist Party of Germany was originally actually a socialist party. There’s usually a grain of truth in the origins of these things. Maybe not so much with the DDR, though.

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Weeeeell… It was kind of socialist. In that it was socialist, but it was a nationalist socialism, and only for the right kind of people. Our kind of people. Or, as they would put it, for people. Anyone who they thought didn’t count as people didn’t get to share in the socialism. A socialism based on strictly limiting who gets to count as part of “society”. A socialism based on exclusion and hatred.

You know… not socialism.

Where did they get the “Nazis were leftists actually” from? It’s been going around as a collegiate Randian gotcha, but I suspect it was crystallised into the mainstream right in Jonah Goldberg’s magnum opiate: Liberal Fascism.

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I think it was a case of co-option socialism and trying to fit some of the agendas of the left into a nationalist program… like how Trump and the GOP try to cosplay at a working class party.

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As I said, they got it from the name. National Socialism. And they know socialism is a leftist idealogy, so they go “AHA! The Nazis were leftists!” And they don’t dig any further into the history.

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