The more I think about it, the more I think that Apollo surely evolved from Dune work. It seems almost obvious now – the track names, moons and deserts, all that stuff.
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Yes, it makes ZERO sense for the most part, but if you get a chance to see Jodorosky’s Dune, about his version that never got made, it would have made EVEN LESS SENSE
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Yes, it pretty much does.
I can’t deny that the movie does have a weird charm to itself, yes. But it’s an incoherent movie, and a pretty crap adaptation of the book.
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Not anymore! I find that absolutely baffling. I read the Dune and it’s five direct sequels, I love dune and I love the movie. I see the criticism of the movie that you can’t really know what is going on. I find the movie hard to criticize if you do know what’s going on. I suppose some people don’t like that the movie isn’t true to the book in many respects, and I guess you can be a Dune fan without being a Lynch fan (to whatever extent we can rationally accept people who aren’t Lynch fans).
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i definitely see a connection between the two. brian eno also has TONS of stuff he just hasn’t used. i could see it sitting around somewhere and he just hasn’t released it because he doesn’t find it interesting anymore, having moved on.
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I’m going to quote another writer here who rather succintly summarized,
" maddening number of perspectives that make Dune such an enticing book to read. Frank Herbert wrote Dune as a commentary on quite nearly every aspect of human existence. Religion, sexuality, politics, our environment, resource allocation and the problems inherent with prophecy are just a few of Herbert’s subjects. Any one of these could fill a library easily. Herbert can fit them all into one book. "
Movies deal with one story one, usually. I think it was and still is, impossible to make Dune into one film. It’s like cutting one square cm out of a tapestry and handing it to someone.
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Take a minute if you will to look at the list of movies released in 1984. That’s an impressive list of blockbusters by any standard. This was not a time of directors faithfully re-creating your favorite novel in film like we enjoy today. Writers and directors weren’t as concerned about what we wanted as much as the movies they wanted to make, and it showed.
It was in that context when I first saw Lynch’s Dune. Despite the best efforts of Dino De Laurentiis, Lynch created not a faithful re-telling of the ponderous Dune cycle but instead a lavish and unapologetic allegory of religion taken to it’s logical and unwholesome extreme, a cautionary tale of power creating an ecology inhospitable to life, and a warning about the dessert faithful bringing unquestioned authority and power to it’s knees not through political maneuvering but by leveraging the only thing the ruling worlds cared about, spice which serves as both metaphor for the unlimited possibilities of the mind and for the sludge we pump out of the ground to fuel or consumptive world. For me, the movie stands on it’s own. I think perhaps the biggest problem with it is the fact that the Dune books exist giving scifi fans something to point to and say “See? It should have been this. It should have been better.”
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just hopped on to www.whatismyipaddress.com/ to see how the "net " see’s me.
Ip address match’s where I am… In FL on verizons old fiber network (Frontier now)
so I’m at a loss as to whats going on.
As to dune, seen it when it 1st hit theaters and what I came away with was:
“I didn’t think they could tell tell the Dune story with one movie”
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It’s blocked in Germany. Just like practically every other video.
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Love it or hate it, you have to admire the detail and craftsmanship that went into the set and costume design.
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It only sucks if you don’t consider the MST3K possibilities.
Still - I’ll watch it again.
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I re-watched the movie several years ago shortly after reading the book. The movie is still a narrative mess but it actually kept closer to the source material than I thought. Much closer than, say, Starship Troopers or I am Legend or World War Z or countless other adaptations I could think of.
Which might have been the problem. The book has a lot of wide expanses of internal monologue when not a lot is happening. That doesn’t usually make for a great screenplay.
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A stinging gif
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I keep telling you guys you should just get @codinghorror to add a script that automatically inserts Sting’s Hawkman Underoos into any post that mentions Dune.
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Basically, I think that a significant portion of Lynch’s output seems to be an attempt to capture the alienation and oddness of a creative person growing up in Eastern Washington. His adaptation of Dune falls squarely in this category. (This is a theory that my brother and I developed… having grown up in Eastern Washington.)
So, of course, I fucking love this movie.
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I think that many Dune fans (and I’m one) loved the book, not just for its sweep and ideas regarding politics, godhood, subtle interplay, and intrigue, but also for the personal interactions and relationships within House Atreides and they with the Fremen; that’s what made me care for the characters. Lynch captured none of that. Could he ever have ‘captured’ the book in a 2-1/4 hour film? Could anyone have? Maybe that depends on how much time you spend on eye candy versus the human part of Dune. That makes me think that a David LEAN would have done a better job (DL having been so successful adapting epic stories). But THIS encourages me:
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THIS! Storywise the movie is a bit of a mess but I have seen far far worse things so it is hard for me to call it awful. Visually it is still the best Dune adaptation out there I think.
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I have read the book and I love the movie. Yes it suffers from storytelling holes and the voice guns are a cringeworthy shortcut but I think cramming that book into even 3 hours is going to be problematic. It was a good attempt and I first saw it on a 70mm screen so it was pure eyecandy as well.
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The set design and costumes were excellent! From what I’ve read, Frank Herbert was greatly impressed with the House Corino throne room on Kaitain, and how that right off the bat said much about the Dune universe. Note: The only problem I had with the costumes had to do with the stillsuits. People running around in the sand wearing rubber suits. It all looked kind of silly and diminished the look of the Fremen. The book had the Fremen in stillsuits AND hooded robes, which felt right. I guess the Dune film makers didn’t want the Fremen to look like Bedouin.
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agree to disagree?
