South Carolina legislators approve execution by firing squad

[Otherbrother]

@anon77190095

I think you’re trying to re-invent the wheel, a guillotine is simple, straightforward, and pulls no punches in terms of what it does.

That’s mostly true but I still think that a near-instantaneous disassembly of the brain into small parts is probably less likely to translate into perceived pain than a death process that requires starving the brain of fresh blood until it loses consciousness. But a far more productive discussion is how we can end executions entirely rather than how to make them painless.

[anon59592690]

Or, and I know this is a wacky idea, we could not murder people for revenge theater?

Anybody suggesting “quicker or faster or less painful” can fuck off, frankly.

[Melizmatic]

Well, isn’t this lovely; the thread has turned into a discussion on the most efficient/viable way of killing people.

@anon59592690

Anybody suggesting “quicker or faster or less painful” can fuck off, frankly.

That part.

[GulliverFoyle]

@Otherbrother

That’s mostly true but I still think that a near-instantaneous disassembly of the brain into small parts is probably less likely to translate into perceived pain than a death process that requires starving the brain of fresh blood until it loses consciousness.

Your confidence in the marksmanship of a squad of cowardly homicidal pricks eager shoot the proverbial fish in a barrel might be a bit misplaced. The reason it’s a squad and not a single executioner putting a pistol to the head and pulling a trigger is so none of the squad can determine who fired the killing shot.

The president of the NRA couldn’t even hit the side of a wounded elephant.

[Papasan]

@anon59592690

Anybody suggesting “quicker or faster or less painful” can fuck off, frankly.

I believe it’s the political party of “family values” and “pro-life” pictured below some of their luminaries. With the hundreds of years old adage of if I threaten to kill you, you’ll behave. To them we are all slaves, and that folks will never change with the Nazi/KKKpublicans.

[teknocholer]

@PsiPhiGrrrl

Seriously. Doesn’t the lethal injection include anesthesia?

I’ve wondered about that. When I had a general anesthetic I was given a preliminary shot before being wheeled into the operating room, and that’s the last I remember. If that was given to a condemned person, the state could hang, draw, and quarter them if that would satisfy everyone’s blood lust, and the victim wouldn’t feel a thing.

(Just to be clear, I’m opposed to capital punishment in any form, ever.)

[Otherbrother]

@GulliverFoyle

Your confidence in the marksmanship of a squad of homicidal pricks eager shoot the proverbial fish in a barrel might be a bit misplaced.

Read what I wrote again. I never suggested a squad or aim would play a part in this hypothetical murder device at all. But right now I think I’m about done discussing the design of hypothetical murder devices so I’m going to bow out.

[p96]

@anon94804983

Came here to say I approve of this only if it is used for politicians convicted of corruption.

That sounds like a good way to make martyrs out of con-men. Lock them up and scrub their names from the history books.

[anon77190095]

Discussing why the methods are inhumane is by no means advocating for them, my first post said that, and I’ve always been against capital punishment, as anyone locked up can be freed, but you can’t un-execute people.

[Doctor_Faustus]

@teknocholer

In the Middle Ages, a condemned person might hire a couple of street lads to swing on his legs to speed up the process.

Isn’t that more of an Early Modern thing?

[GulliverFoyle]

I guess I’m not clear how you for from here:

@Otherbrother

I’m fundamentally against all forms of capital punishment for lots of different reasons, but there have been MANY botched attempts at lethal injection that definitely qualify as torture, so honestly I don’t know if the firing squad is really much worse. At least it’s not pretending to be anything other than what it clearly is: the state committing a violent and bloody act of murder.

…with which I agree…to this being a different hypothetical device…

@Otherbrother

That’s mostly true but I still think that a near-instantaneous disassembly of the brain into small parts is probably less likely to translate into perceived pain than a death process that requires starving the brain of fresh blood until it loses consciousness.

…which I already addressed.

I absolutely take you at your word that we’re on the same page that it’s state murder. You’re arguments about disassembly weren’t clear to me, but I apologize if I misread you.

IMO, the only reason to discuss methods of execution is to put the lie to the claim of cowards who support capital punishment that they’re trying to be merciful. Beyond that, it’s just grotesque. YMMV.

[teknocholer]

@Doctor_Faustus

Isn’t that more of an Early Modern thing?

Maybe, maybe both. What do I know?

[Otherbrother]

@GulliverFoyle

You’re arguments about disassembly weren’t clear to me, but I apologize if I misread you.

In my original post I was saying that a murder mechanism with built-in redundancies could hypothetically do that. I was never talking about firing squads.

[GulliverFoyle]

Clarification noted. Thank you.

[Tribune]

@LDoBe

it should be by single combat.

If the convicted can defeat the state’s champion

Forget a State champion. It should be single combat with the governor. That might get them to abolish the death penalty.

[jonboy_nemo]

@Melizmatic

the thread has turned into a discussion on the most efficient/viable way of killing people

it seemed to me that the discussion was about the most efficient/viable way of being killed, if one were to have no choice in the matter at the hands of a bloodthirsty and all-powerful state that does so routinely.

[Papasan]

I wish you all a wonderful fun filled weekend, I & the Dear Wife are retiring to the backyard for some day drinking. I leave you with this to ruminate over.

[GulliverFoyle]

I realize the talk of “them first” have tongues firmly in cheek here, and that the wonkish hypothetical are just a thought experiment for some people. But may I suggest that they’re ghoulish in a thread about an actual state voting for actual premeditated murder?

[stephen_schenck]

I figure: If you identify as an entity that’s OK with murdering people, lean all the way into it.

[GulliverFoyle]

Me too. I’m out.