nah meh - deyz laff a’you an tink you tahwkin’ bou’ le’us.
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There’s a cool modality included in these types of word as well. If you’re told you’re dissin’ someone, you might have a little time to apologise and make amends. If they expand the word to “disrespectin’”, it’s a call for audience and judgement - having gone to the bother of de-compressing the word, they’re drawing close attention.
If the phrase comes out “you are dis-re-spect-inG” me, you’re fucked.
It actually shows an eloquence and flexibility in the linguistic application that standard English doesn’t have. It also shows a clear comprehension of the layers and modalities of usage of the lingo across the spectrum of intended meaning.
So I’d argue the younger generation actually have a better grasp of communication than the older. They’re just being categorised by the older system.
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I can only “heart” this once, but consider it multiplied by a thousand.
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So true. In the US, the industry is being led by a few very wealthy patrons who witnessed the lucrative nature of the privatization of military contracts, etc. There have been incidences of the charter schools gaming testing outcomes. The public is being hoodwinked into believing it is the savior of the education system. They don’t consider that once something is privatized, even if taxes are supporting it, they will have much less say on what goes on.
I think I have disappearing comments in this section. Off I go.
That was a perfect of example of code switching, you get a + on this exam.
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That reminded me of a recent Chris Kluwe interview about “artful swearing”. Casual swearing, like slang, can be done with very little thought, but, when used thoughtfully and creatively it can be quite effective at getting a point across.
If I were being really, really, really generous I’d think the teachers were trying to teach a lesson in using language thoughtfully. The realist in me knows it’s much more likely they’re going after an easy target to make it look like they’re doing something.
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I wish Judi Dench had described the use of her name as being “like a slice of fried gold”.
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If you haven’t already, watch ‘In the thick of it’. Profanity of a quality and frequency that puts Deadwood to shame…
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I shall make my case via Vicky Pollard
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Peter Capaldi is a national fucking treasure. I desperately hope he brings a little Tucker into Dr Who.
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Doing something while expressing their superiority.
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Sadly not, but it’s little more than a marketing gimmick anyway.
At Eaton they teach one to speak properly, any form of divergence from the Queen’s own English would be deserving of discipline.
No, it was made up by ‘lethal bizzle’ who makes ludicrous marketing threats when people ‘misuse’ the word on twitter
From Urban Dictionary;
- extra
over the top
excessive, dramatic behavior
way too much
Robert’s behavior was extra when he refused to accept Anna’s apology.
Only for listeners who are not particularly intelligent.
One would have to be pretty dumb to mistake “proper” speech for intelligence. The two barely even correlate. This from someone who actually speaks mostly properly (for a yank).
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Volume!
Really? How do you know?
I have a relative there, right now, and although I’m sure he uses correct English in class, he and his mates use every slang imaginable everywhere else.
Why do you think Lethal Bizzle used Dench then? Just made it up?
I can’t remember who to attribute this quote to, nor exactly what it was, but it goes along the lines of “you can be married to a privately educated Englishman for 10 years, and because of their confidence and speech, never know that they’re a complete idiot”
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My school used the same policies when teaching lessons, if you talk to a teacher or answer in class you use proper, formal English. I can’t see how that is unfair or unjust. However I agree outright banning of words is not a suitable route to take.
I do want to raise two points I haven’t seen elsewhere in this discussion though;
- If the students can talk without these words and fit in within different social circles (be they geographical, economic or any other) then it seems unnecessary, however when so much of the vocabulary is incomprehensible to a large portion of the UK isn’t it the job of the school to teach these children to speak without such affectations?
- If it is a financial wall that separates those that use these words and those that don’t, encouraging the kids to speak in these terms more often is something that would be used by those who wish to keep the classes distinct, preventing the working class from ‘assuming airs and graces’, the school has no power to force the UK to change to accept the language, isn’t it their responsibility then to teach their student’s to ascend the segregation of their upbringing so that they might, if they wish it, have better jobs?
- What method would work better? Personally I came from a privileged school which had fewer students who talked this way, but the more all of us were brought to a uniform way of speaking the more the social divisions between us disappeared, I would suggest this is a brilliant thing. Personally I prefer my schools method (how you speak to your friends in your time is fine if devoid of profanity but address to a teacher or in class must be formal) but where that doesn’t get results…
Lastly - one of the most inspiring moments I find in an inspiring film…
The idea that removing comfort words stifles creativity is ludicrous. Creativity is at its strongest in harsh environments and when we are forced to say things that require us to think before we speak and not just draw forth the words we find with greatest ease.
Having said lastly… I object to the ease with which this is made a case of rich vs poor, it is true that slang like this is more common in poor areas but every area of society has its slang, however those in wealthier circles are taught that slang is vulgar in polite society and so English has two forms, formal and informal. School is a place for formal speech (or so I think) the playground a place for informal. I personally feel a school should teach this (though never with an outright ban on language that is neither hateful nor hurtful).
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How does one profit from banning slang?
