You should give the process a try.
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Sheâs the one talking in her videos, so making a comment about a thing sheâs said⌠Iâm pretty sure thatâs fair. No comments calling her names, Iâm commenting on her opinions and ideas. Completely different.
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And it shows. Do go on to offer youself further accolades, youâre reaaaaly making her look just awful.
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Just not on any particular ones. While repeatedly and vaguely telling us instead about the feelings that âher opinions and ideasâ (but not âher,â no, of course not her!) provoke in you.
Itâs not helpful. Really.
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Yeah, I honestly donât have a good example from this video. After watching it, I will say sheâs done a better job on it than on previous videos in that regard for completely taking clips out of context.
I will, however say that I think Nathan Drakeâs ass was a bad example for male butts⌠Thatâs a pretty attractive ass from a femaleâs perspective (or mine, at least)
Do you see any difference between
âshe takes clips out of contextâ
and
âI do not like the context she puts clips inâ
Personal Agency is hard, hope you get there soon.
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Small collection (is a specimen really a collection?), but Iâm proud of you for sharing this man butt. You might want to rewatch the video a little, since there was a little more than just the butt visibility that was discussed, but Iâll still give you a C. You pass.
Some examples for your consideration in case you wonder why you didnât get an A and are too lazy to review the video:
All grades are final.
Also, thank you for being the first explicit #NotAllButts advocate.
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It gets more and more aggressively Republican as the seasons go on. And the one area I have some expertise in was factually wrong, which makes me wonder how accurate the rest of it is. Thatâs a pet peeve for me: for the amount of money and effort that goes into TV shows these days, make sure youâre not having your characters do and/or say things that make people in-the-know roll their eyes and laugh at the screen.
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I havenât seen her other stuff, so this is my first introduction. Iâll probably check some others out for curiosityâs sake now.
True on Nathan Drakeâs butt, at least itâs butt-like and not totally covered by a trenchcoat or anything.
I wonder if this is also something that happens during the marketing and refinement processâŚwhere male butts get covered up even if the developers were totally cool with them because the people they have to pitch to âmight not like seeing man-buttâ. So maybe the initial trend is pro-butt but man-butts get slowly filtered out as they work their way towards release.
They certainly were a chore to get through, Iâll allow that.
This is about the male gaze, isnât it.
Okay, I get the point, emphasizing on the body will dehumanize the character and furthering objectifies marginalized individuals. We should do away with this ideology of the human body and focus on bridging the relationships between individuals.
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Thereâs an ED article on Sarkeesian.
Comments are never the option once youâre on Encyclopedia Dramatica.
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Butt, buttâŚwell, okay.
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So your chosen method of addressing this problem isâŚto whine about it online. Physician heal thyself.
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I see what youâre getting at here, but think of this:
The fact that a supporting female character in one game saves the main male character during the beginning of the game does not remove the fact that the main male character spends the entire game saving a bog-standard damsel in distress. Or that in the Zelda series, Link has spent multuple games over the course of the last 30 years saving damsels in distress.
The existence of one non-damsel doesnât suddenly mean that all those other damsels donât exist, or that sheâs wrong for pointing them out.
Anitaâs intent with these videos is to critique the portrayal of women in video games. So the examples she chooses are examples where these portrayals need critiquing. If an example doesnât need critiquing, sheâs not likely to spend much time on it because thatâs not what sheâs talking about (generally - sheâs got a few videos where she presents examples of games getting it right, including in this video, where she points out Alice - Madness Returns and the dichotomy between the box art and the gameplay in Beyond Good & Evil).
You seem to be taking issue with the fact that sheâs not talking a lot about where the games DONâT fail, but patting people on the back for doing the right thing isnât nearly as important as showing them where they went wrong. The former is nice, but it teaches us nothing. The latter is essential, and itâs part of why her videos are invaluable. The idea isnât to give out gold stars for not being awful (âCongratulations on Not Being Sexistâ shouldnât be a thing, it should just be the expectation of normal human action), the idea is to show where games could be better. And one place where even Twilight Princess could be better is if it questioned the whole âSave Zeldaâ stock plotline more.
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If you really meant to do that then you need to work on that skill. âShe miscontrues things to fit her agendaâ and âSheâs picking and choosing really closely to make it seem likeâŚâ are both attacks on a person not comments on what they said. They both imply that there is a sinister motive for what is being said and that she was being intentionally deceptive.
Maybe on another subject I wouldnât be so sensitive to this, but this isnât exactly the first Sarkeesian video thread, and comments that suggest she is being deceptive are usually the tip of a very ugly iceberg.
If there is an actual argument about the weakness of her examples, then it would have to be an argument that the examples she uses are genuinely misrepresentative. Itâs not enough for them to be taken out of context from the games themselves. If there is a very good reason for butts or damsel rescues or whatever in any given game she raises, then that raises the question of why we keep making games in which there is a very good reason for those things.
If she is picking examples of things that are genuinely isolated and extremely rare then thatâs misrepresentative (e.g., if I were to point to David Cameron and say Britain had a rampant problem with pig-fucking Prime Ministers), if she is picking examples that themselves can be argued with but that still show part of a larger problem then accusations of âclosely choosingâ examples are unfounded (e.g., if I were to say that in many old NES platformers you press B to shoot and use Super Mario Brothers as an example, the fact that you mostly canât shoot in that game and you need a fireflower to do so wouldnât really change the general pattern).
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I also think they imply that there is a narrative that is won and lost
Agency, etcâŚ
I didnât punch a baby today, you guys! WHERE IS MY COOKIE? No cookie? I mean, you always point out that itâs a problem when I punch babies, but when I DONâT punch babies, I donât get cookies? Well, I suppose youâre failing to properly curb baby-punching. You should all be sad about how much youâre failing and how many babies get punched as a result of you not giving me cookies.
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I think we could say @neonflame failed to (puts on sunglasses) cover his ass.
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