Notice there’s no indication that she didn’t.
If she was an employee, I might agree. But in school, an “attitude problem” is usually only a “problem” to people who value quick obedience to authority so that their jobs might be a little easier.
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??? My daughters wear leggings. They’re no tighter than the skinny jeans these days, except around the ankles. And the fabric is thick: they’re basically yoga pants without the flair at the bottom. (NOT lululemon yoga pants.) In fact, one of my daughters wears them for snowboarding because they provide more flexibility while still being quite warm. That’s not pantyhose.
You seem to be spending a lot of time looking at crotches, though. I find that much more worrisome than the thickness or tightness of leggings.
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OMG, so true.
There wasn’t anything particularly blatant about it. Your comment looked perfectly earnest to me as well.
I think you may be misjudging the extent to which tone comes across in written communication.
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What a telling phrase. I’ve never heard this phrase uttered by anyone who wasn’t a wannabe petty tyrant.
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You don’t work in a school, so I don’t expect you to understand. But you may understand more if you processed everything I typed already.
It’s obvious to me that a girl doesn’t get a dress code violation for wearing shorts or a skirt over leggings. But then again, I deal with this stuff every day. So I actually know what I’m talking about.
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That’s interesting. Tell me more.
What more is there to say?
The “you don’t work in a school so my opinion obviously trumps yours” bullshit is only firming up the impression I’m getting of you. You don’t seem like the type of person who seriously considers the perspectives of others.
I have taught and my SO is currently a teacher. So try to avoid using that bullshit on me, huh? Not everyone who disagrees with you is wrong.
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I’m proud of you for making sure your daughters wear appropriate clothing, and I wish all parents were as conscientious. Unfortunately, they aren’t. Not all leggings are the same. The school puts forth a rule that is easy to apply, because they don’t want to argue about whether one set of leggings is thick enough or not. And they don’t want to argue “why does she get to wear leggings and I don’t”.
Your daughters dress appropriately, and that’s good. But it doesn’t apply to everyone.
As for your jab about me looking at crotches… You should be ashamed. Part of my job requires me to monitor dress code violations. I don’t like it. But I’m expected to confront inappropriate dress. Sometimes it’s just about language or imagery on a shirt, and not about body parts. But suggesting that I enjoy scrutinizing children’s crotch just because I defend a dress code, that’s low. I get it from the kids (see my previous comment about being called a pervert for walking into a bathroom as part of my job) but I expect better from a parent. Shame on you.
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That’s interesting. Tell me more.
LOL, you’re making it pretty obvious why you get so much disrespect from your students.
I find it interesting how quickly you jump to the conclusion that the students are the cause of any and all problems.
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But I do, and I don’t agree with you.
If you or your school is having this much of a problem with student behavior, it is time to stop just looking at the students and looking at administration, classroom management, and relationships with parents.
I worked at a Title III school for many years, in the poorest district in rural southeast NM, 100% of the students got free breakfast and free or reduced lunch. It was a tough neighborhood, we had a lot of behavior problems in the classrooms, but by working with the students and families (many who were also ESL) we started to see improvements.
If all you see of your students who misbehave is an “attitude problem” you don’t see your students.
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It depends, if the rule exists out of morality and suppressing the sexuality of girls, yes it wouldn’t make sense. If it exists because such revealing cloths could distract hetero boys and lesbian girls too much in lessons, then there would be no real need to sanctionize volleyball uniforms.
"When she gets canned from her first job for inappropriate dress, I’m sure you all will still be cheering her on. "
That’s silly. A girl with this kind of independent mind and strong self-confidence, won’t get canned because she won’t have a boss to can her. She’ll start her own business and succeed. Someday she may even hire you.
Coffee spit-take on my new tablet, damn you!
Realistically, hiring and training a new employee is such an expensive process that first time offenders would get a warning about what appropriate workplace attire is and maybe get sent home to change into something more appropriate. Firing someone for not understanding office norms is equivalent to wasting money which, from what I understand, is a rather poor business practice.
Eyes on your own work, coach. Hers is none of your business, no matter what your perceived authority tells you.
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You are all correct, in that the rule was put in place and enforced with no forethought. The administration made the rule because they want to antagonize kids and shame them.
The teacher is obviously a jerk, and the girl is brilliant.
Also, I am not here to defend the reasons why a dress code is required. I’m just a pervert who got into teaching so I could alternate between ogling children and shaming them. Oh and I’m a petty tyrant because I uphold the rules rather than risk my job.
Thank you all for setting me straight.
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I used to work in a school, so I understand completely. The dress code always mattered more to some teachers than others. You can guess which one I was.
It might be “obvious” to you “that a girl doesn’t get a dress code violation for wearing shorts or a skirt over leggings,” but that doesn’t change the fact that kids get sent home all the time for not appearing in the manner which pleases their masters at school.
Google “student sent home for” if you’d like a few examples.
Then again, you seem to think that your experience alone means that “you know what you’re talking about,” and the rest of us don’t, so the negative experiences of those other kids probably won’t matter much to you.
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I went to a high school where we had three main rules: no sex, no drugs, no alcohol. You could wear whatever you wanted to school, even go barefoot. I really don’t remember too much overtly sexy sexy clothing, I think the one clothing rule was no robes or wet bathing suits/towels in class.
The only case I can remember where a kid was called to the mat for a clothing violation was this one very cool older boy who liked to wear holes in his jeans, which was popular at the time. He would wear boxers underneath but sometimes the holes were near the crotch or the butt - though it seemed like he would sew a bandanna or something underneath these. He pulled it off - it wasn’t really a style but just maybe one or two kids who liked the threadbare thing; I think it was one of the office workers who found it offensive.
We had a school meeting about it and he defended himself eloquently. It was actually pretty epic.
So, yep, you can do a school with very few rules and still have it function. Everything was handled case by case.
Now, all things being equal, this was a nice prep school with a tiny enrollment. Maybe in a public school this kind of approach would not work. Certainly at my daughter’s school I can see there is a group of cheerleader types who like wearing short shorts and skimpy tops that just wouldn’t have been that cool at my high school. But I have to wonder if part of the fun of wearing the skimpy clothes is skirting the rules.
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