Better watch it. Too much empathy and you’re going to be called a white knight or beta male!
I love the “SJW to Skeleton” extension. It makes these trolls much more fun.
I would say that it is the opposite, that the people who automatically see things in such terms are the cognitively impaired. And yes, I am fully aware that this would include most people. It seems to be a failure of the capacity for formal reasoning.
My main problem with this study is terminology. “dominance” in this case is video game related. We’re not talking chest-thumping baboonery, which was my initial impression. It’s also hard to generalize from one study, so I wouldn’t be too definitive about what it means, as much as it agrees with my own biases and preconceptions. Also, the issue of sexism is complex, and its causes numerous, as others have stated here.
I, personally, suck hard at online multiplayer because I don’t put in the time and effort, and because I have really bad lag with my current setup (WiFi extender at maximum range connecting to WiFi hotspot connected to the cable modem.) I suck at these games, but I’m not sexist (which actually really pisses me off when people throw “anonymity” in as a causal link- anonymity doesn’t turn me into a different person, does it do that to you?) This indicates that while there is a correlation between these traits, it’s hardly definitive. Many players who may be sexist simply don’t make a habit of talking online. The study does not distinguish the skill of a player from other factors. None of this is to say that it’s a bad study, but I’m wary of drawing too many conclusions.
Can we all just agree being a fuckwit to people is bad? I don’t like that @Caffinated basically got gangpiled when even if he fumbled the ball a bit he does make a few points, then got put squarely on the defensive by the gif legions that are acting dismissive if not outright hostile.
To elaborate:
I consider myself as supporting women’s rights for equal treatment because I think a world where my nieces grow up to make a third less, get hit on because tits, have to fight for parental leave, and are culturally looked down on because female is bullshit.
On the other a lot of the language used is very… Hostile. You take hostile finger pointing language that is very broad and generalistic then point at someone the major talking points sorta kinda hit and it feels like ‘hey stop lumping me in with these assholes guys. not cool.’
Combine that with possibly being socially stunted, constantly pecked at, or any number of things, and being able to articulate goes out the window leaving very stressed out person’s best response as ‘SJW BULLSHIT FEMINISM IS EVIL.’
I’m not saying what he said was called for. I just am deeply and very disappointed nobody here seems to realize throwing generalities around and acting dismissive of dissenting views is going to get person upset and lashing out. What are we, the new reddit hivemind?
So can we just tone down the rhetoric and focus on the issue that acting like a fuckwit to try feeling better about yourself does nothing but make you look like a fuckwitted dumbass to everyone and leaves you worse off?
My personal experience with these things is that there’s not much point in trying when the person has failed, utterly and completely, to characterize your position in a remotely accurate manner. If they can’t get that right, then it’s not dissent. I don’t know what it is, but it’s not dissent. You can’t argue productively with a confused jumble of confident assertions. To put it another way, never wrestle a pig, you just get dirty and the pig might enjoy it.
You said it! And I’m glad you did.
Trying to reason with pigs like the one who busted in here and started shitting all over the place is a ton less fun than shitting right back at them.
The thing is the whole mess has, put bluntly, made me not like everyone else for dragging the whole mess on and tripped my ‘hey maybe this guy saying things I vaguely don’t like is getting ridden too rough. we’ve all been there after all, maybe it’s just a bad day that got made worse.’
I don’t get it. Why serve as apologist for someone who’s been acting THAT BADLY?
Because everyone else ends up looking just as bad while sinking to his level and I have this habit of basically looking at a metaphorical circle of guys curbstomping someone and just… reacting badly to that even if the guy totally had it coming.
Absolutely - like I said, I think it’s a reasonable explanation, but it’s no excuse - sexist dudes SHOULD feel ashamed of themselves, and it’s no one’s responsibility to glad-hand them to personal acceptance. They should be able to figure that stuff out their own selves.
It just means that if your interest is to cut off sexism at its root, you may be better off steering the convo away from “you should probably be ashamed of yourself” to something more…positive? Constructuve? Ego-boosting, even? Which doesn’t make a lick of sense in the moment, but all that sexist bullshit might just be, in part, them trying to boost their own fragile egos.
Kind of a “sexists are made, not born” argument.
So answering back in kind and mildly making fun of someone who’s acting like a wild boar at a garden party equals curbstomping? You’re acting nearly as delusional as he was.
All of which he dismissed as a problem out of hand, in rather hostile terms. The guy came here, specifically to prove his point that BB and feminists and SJW are all hypocrites… He didn’t come here to debate, or discuss, or get other points of view… he came here specifically to have a temper tantrum.
Look, I’m more than willing to engage in debate with people who disagree with me, even to at the end of the day, agree to disagree, and to do so in a rational and respectful manner… But why in the hell do I need to treat people who literally think of me as a lesser being seriously?
[ETA] So, in addition to having to constantly remind some people, that I TOO am a human being, capable of thoughts outside of “babies,” “weddings,” “tricking men to have weddings with babies,” and “SHOES”, I now also need to justify being even the slightest bit annoyed by being thought of in those terms and not engaging in a thoughtful, intellectually enlightening dialog with EVERY SINGLE trolley that shows up? Do I have that correct? If I fawn over every asshole who derisively invokes feminism, will that be satisfactory?
You don’t. You also aren’t required to reply at all. That’s the thing about forums. Just… route around the post and not sink to their level of being dismissive.
Yes I equate that to curbstomping. Right. Wrong. Whatever. I find it insulting and dismissive because it makes those people look like they’re trying to set themselves as more and better than you. I do not like this. I do not like it when otherwise intelligent and meaningful people do this. This entire conversation turned from intelligent discussion to ‘hey let’s make fun of that guy.’ You literally sank to his level. I do not like that, especially here since I see boingboing as inclusive, intelligent, goofy, and wonderful. Let the Mods sort him out.
So can we just move on?
CAREFUL WITH THOSE [hard ‘g’] GIFS, MISS GIFFYGIF.
I… wasn’t aware I had killed or battered someone. I also wasn’t aware that anyone has a curbstomping coming. He used his words, I used mine. If he ain’t ashamed to say his piece. I ain’t ashamed to say mine. If he doesn’t like being dismissed so flatly, perhaps he should come to the table with a little less spit and vinegar.
I think women tend to sneer at low status males by default in social and competitive situations, and tolerate abuse from high status men for the perks.
Sorry ladies, just my opinion.
MRAs are shitty because of how they think and feel and dehumanize others. Feminists dismissing the hate is not “the same as” and your attempt to justify their rhetoric is certainly contributing to the problem.