I see your point, but doxxing the general public never even entered my mind. I’m only talking about the lawmakers who both support this bill and have facilitated an abortion in an attempt to cover their own hinders for a good public image.
I’ll make a note in the original post.
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This is my biggest problem with these “at conception” or close to it laws. You now have to investigate every misscarriage. Furthermore, if you have a misscarriage and dont say something to the government then technically you just destroyed evidence. Now doctors will have to enter all pregnancies into a state database where unacceptable conclusions might realistically end in a no knock raid. I am torn about abortion as anyone who has actually put any honest thought into it is but these laws, regardless of wether or not they have any chance of passing, demostrate how out of touch with reality many lifelong politicians are.
I was thinking more of a fetus as a reckless intruder that threatens serious bodily harm and, by its attachment to a woman’s uterus, cannot be retreated from during most of pregnancy.
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Different country, but I think it still applies
Halappanavar, a dentist from Karnataka, was 17 weeks pregnant with her first child when she sought advice at University Hospital Galway for intense back pain on Sunday 21 October 2012.
Within hours, medical staff concluded that a miscarriage was inevitable, although a foetal heartbeat could be heard. The plan was to allow the pregnancy to end naturally.
After being told of the risk of infection following the rupture of the foetal membranes, the Halappanavars asked whether it was possible to medically induce the miscarriage. A consultant later recalled saying: “Under Irish law, if there’s no evidence of risk to the life of the mother, our hands are tied as long there’s a foetal heart[beat].” No intervention took place.
On the morning of Wednesday 24 October, the medical team diagnosed infection and, later, septic shock. A plan was made, but not enacted, to give Halappanavar a drug to induce an abortion. She spontaneously miscarried mid-afternoon and was subsequently admitted to intensive care, where she died in the early hours of Sunday 28 October, almost a week after being admitted to hospital.
Thankfully Ireland saw sense and voted to end the ban.
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They’re competing with my state (which passed the heart beat bill, but it has not been signed by our new governor yet)… they all want to be the that takes RvW down… it’s a race for who can be the most oppressive…
Also, I’m sorry for your loss.
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Perhaps. I just can’t take any law that would fail it’s first test seriously enough to worry about it just like I wouldn’t worry about someone passing a law that says it’s illegal to be outside on a Wednesday.
Sorry I had to edit my post to add this. I must have glossed over your opening there which contained factually incorrect F.U.D. raking.
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The proposed bill failed last night. Or, to put it another way… citation needed
I think you hit upon an important point, that it’s the Church Ladies who are really pushing for stupid shit like this. Punishing the shameless hussies, hoping it keeps them from messing with their menfolk.
And the men go along with it because it makes them seem all moral with no personal consequences. After all, the guys voting for this aren’t going to get pregnant themselves, and even secretly think that having bastard children proves their virility.
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To those of you telling us heart felt stories of your loses and why abortion was necessary (or should have been an option at least if it wasn’t), you have my deepest sympathies and my appreciation for being strong enough to share with us here.
And while it’s important those cases be the examples held up as reasons why abortions should remain safe and legal, we also need to stop the shame cycle that is wrapped so intimately around sex, and even more so around abortion. It’s time to be done with be ashamed we are human beings who enjoy pleasuring each other. And yes, sometimes that results in a pregnancy. But it doesn’t have to, and pregnancy should never be used to punish those who have sex but didn’t intend for it. Birth control, abortion, those are nothing to be ashamed about AT ALL. Those are our rights as human beings, to decide when it’s the right time for us to have and raise children.
I hope we can get past the shame. I hope positive sexual beliefs become our norm, filled with talk about the joy of sex and how to do so safely, and what options you can undertake if the safety measures break down. And abortion will always be one of them, because a woman - a couple - get to decide that for themselves.
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Paying for your mistresses abortion makes you an accessory to murder… Hmmm.
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[re: Brett Kavanaugh/Abortion meme]
Key words are “a boy”. They didn’t say shit about forgiving girls.
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Sad but true.
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These people are stupid. I really mean stupid. Like they literally do not know, understand, comprehend, or care about biology, facts, reality. I think a lot of it is because they are sadistic misogynists but it’s also enabled by the sheer lack of comprehension when it comes to basic biology. It would be easy to convince most of these people that a communion wafer turns into a tap dancing Jesus for exactly 15 minutes when you swallow it and that if you listen closely you can hear him sing the National Anthem from your guts. FTR I’m from Texas so this opinion is based on familiarity with the scene.
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Life-at-conception is always going to be based on a lack of understanding of biology. They are trying to look for a magical bright line that separates a human from the parts that make a human and there just isn’t one. If you want a very clear moment when the baby becomes it’s own organism, to me the closest you can get is severing the umbilical cord, and even then that takes time - those things are tough.
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And, those mistresses will be quite about it, since telling someone will get them the death penalty.
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I appreciate the note in your original post! 
I still don’t see how the identity of the women involved would be protected, though. There would be demands for proof like medical records, etc. Media and political opponents would search for and very likely find out the identities of the women involved. I’m for preserving the women in these situations which, unfortunately, means the men involved would remain insulated. There are always other ways to bring them down, comrade!
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The so-called “Pro-Life” movement lost all its moral credibility by their failure and refusal to support contraception. This is not about saving the “baby” or “protecting” women. It’s about a minority of aging white males and their Stepford Wives, desperately attempting to hold onto their power and privilege by controlling the fertility and sexuality of women.
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And @TornPaperNapkin, the life-at-conception argument is also deeply intertwined with how they define death. Prior to the more modern medical age, death was defined as when the heart stopped (heart death). Then we started developing technology and medicine to keep the heart beating, but maybe the brain was damaged (brain dead). So you see this split happen where there are religious people who are still using heart death as their metric. They are the types of people that will keep a loved one on a respirator for years, because they still consider them to be alive (their hearts are beating).
It’s easy to see how that definition of heart death can then get twisted to be applied to a fetus. A 20-week old fetus doesn’t have cognitive brain function, but it has a heartbeat, ergo it’s alive → abortion is killing it → abortion is murder.
If your definition of death is brain death the whole calculation changes. The value is placed on the woman who is a fully actualized person capable of thinking, feeling and making decisions. The fetus isn’t alive in a clinical sense until it has been carried to term.
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I’m sure there is a split there, but life being connected to heartbeat doesn’t connect in any way to life beginning at conception.
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Truth. Two cells that are about to go on a splitting rampage are not a person.
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