Not everyone is privileged enough to have a family that runs a resilient business, owning some means of production. The VAST majority of the electorate, in fact do not own any sort of business, but work for a business in exchange for a wage. I’m sure you’re well aware of this. Celebrating their financial struggles will not get them to vote for Bernie, it will alienate them and make them want to vote for Trump.
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One would argue Trumps policies are the root of the problem, not wishing upon a Star for an economic recession. I have no impact of whether it is or is not going to happen, I will say it’s better than what is predicted I.e. a tossup election where Trump cheats to get back into office and all those people you mentioned prospects get worse anyway. You’re missing the big picture where a recession gets a Democratic president, Congress, and maybe even senate to improve these folks lives.
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If Nostradumbass can cheat to win or to remain in office, what makes you believe that he would only do so if the race was close?
Maybe it’s just me, but in my experience cheaters don’t cheat just because it’s a tight race.
Edit: one other thing here. You keep bouncing between two very different things. An economic slowdown or the market having a slump is not the same as an economic collapse or depression or a recession. Yes most people who have any money invested (through whatever retirement vehicle they posses) can survive a slow down just fine. But a recession or a depression or even a catastrophic economic collapse will effect those in the bottom 80% far more disproportionally than those on the top 20%.
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Have you seen him stoop for people in the 2018 elections? He puts forth a lazy effort if he thinks it’s in the bag.
Uh. That’s because thats for the benefit of OTHER people not himself.
This is not a trump problem, and never has been. This is a deep rooted problem that begins with Reagan and has shaped government policy towards the economy (deregulation and government being treated like a business, etc). Democrats very much contributed to this problem as well.
Doesn’t mean we should CELEBRATE PEOPLE SUFFERING… FFS.
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I was laid off not long after the 2008 crash. It was horrible. I wish that on no person.
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Celebrating that is just not the right view to take. We have no idea if any of this economic uncertainty, or the Covid-19 pandemic, or any of this will lead to Trump being out on his ass. We do know that these going unchecked has a measurable real world impact on people’s lives and that celebrating them because of a possible outcome… well, it’s just… not very nice.
If we want Trump out on his ass, organizing is the best way to do it. Getting the truth out of his failures, his inability to govern, his corruption, his racism, his misogyny, etc, etc. Certainly that includes discussing the impact it has had on people’s lives, but we shouldn’t think this is a “good” thing, or that he’s solely responsible for what’s happening. while his policies have an extreme bent to them, they are part of a longer historical arc of policies that need to be changed and shifted.
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You’re describing the opposite party that wishes RBG dead and spreads memes about it. I’m not doing that. I’m merely saying if it removes Trump from office, it’s good.
You posted a gif of people popping a champagne cork if all of this puts people out of work and leads to a worse economic situation…
So if Covid-19 hits here, the deaths it might cause would be “good” if it means he’s out on his ass? Because that’s the implication of what you’re saying here. And we don’t even know if that’s what will happen.
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Short memory is short.
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You’re using an equation wherein all things are equal.
If X happens then Y will be the result; X being an economic collapse resulting in Nostradumbass losing a re-election bid.
Let’s use an analogy to shed more light on this. Everyone would agree that if the doctor needed to remove their little toe to save their life, we would all say yes to that and say “doc take the toe!”
But if the Doc said “look. All I have to do is take all your limbs and give you a frontal lobotomy BUT hey you’re still technically alive” would you agree to that?
A recession or depression would do that to a vast number of people. It literally would end the lives of tens of millions economically speaking.
And the worst part is (and I think it was @anon48584343 trying to explain this) it would most likely not stop his base from voting for him again. He would just lie to them about how he can fix it and they’d believe him.
All it would do is financially ruin the bottom 80% of the country and strengthen the power of the top 20% and their strangle hold over the rest of us.
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We celebrate people suffering here all the time.
What I am reading is that they effect people here.
[citation needed]
Unless you’re talking about individuals who have done serious harm, like Rush Limbaugh or Harvey Weinstein. I would say there is a big difference between wishing harm to an individual and wishing harm on a whole class or group of people.
As for folks on the BBS, we’ve got a pretty diverse cross section, economically. BBers range from folks on public assistance to early retirement tech aristocracy. Who in that range do you think will suffer more in a recession? (Hint: it’s not the folks with a lot of money in the stock market)
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Someone should tell Trump that Dow != economy.
If the Dow is up, that’s great. But the economy should be based on things like when can a person buy a house and start a family? How much of our waking lives do we spend converting our time into money? How much can we buy with that money? Is everyone at least within two orders of magnitude when it comes to standard of life? How prepared are we in the next few decades for real emergencies which will be very expensive such as climate change? etc.
But watching a single number go up and down seems to be much easier way for an ignorant, illiterate, senile old man to understand economics.
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You want me to crawl post histories for citations ?
I thought that was poor form.
And people here call for the torture, gristle-ing, and death of people causally all the time. If they are your enemy and it is ok … that kinda makes it just fine for enemies to do it back.
seems like bad business.
Whatever. This is about money. This is about people feeling insecure and wanting not to show how tied they are to a system they call corrupt.
EXACTLY. The GDP and Deficit numbers are what’s important. The market being up means little if the amount of debt we have outweighs the gdp. It becomes a zero sum game where we actually do have an economic collapse and those with money in the market just quickly liquidate and everyone else is left holding the bag.
I will note that every single prison rape “joke” aimed at Weinstein got flagged. We celebrate justice being served for once, not him “suffering” in jail. As for Rush, he’s been one of the key figures in bringing a Trump presidency into fruition. Should he “suffer” through lung cancer? No one should, but he can rot. I don’t care about him, I don’t really care much about his comfort. I suspect that his wealth will make his illness far more easy to deal with than the millions of Americans who get denied coverage for the exact same illness he has now.
A recession would impact ALL of us.
He would ignore them. And I agree it’s not the economy, but given how interconnected the real economy is with the stock market, it can have a major impact on people’s lives. The sooner we move away from that the better.
Right…
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Meme it up if that is the best communication to be done.
Violence is not a one way vector.
Duh. Yet, we tend to not advocate for violence here… maybe you do, but many of us don’t and we regularly point it out and flag when we come across such. I’m sure you can find exceptions, but as a rule, those of us here who are trying to hash out issues in good faith tend to try very hard to appeal to our own better angels. Do we fail at times? Probably so. We’re, you know, humans, so not perfect by any stretch of the imagination.
The position that violence is never acceptable is a pretty one-dimensional view that doesn’t take self-defense into account. Some days you DO in fact need to use violence in defense of yourself and others, especially in a climate with creep facism.
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