The guy whose DRM for juice company cratered last year now sells "raw water" packed with all the microbes and amoebas you can stomach

None of this is new, it’s just metastasized by the Bay-area tech scene.

The sales pitches are pure, old-school, New Age, crystal-power hucksterism that’s been around since the 1960s, slightly re-worded for the tech set.

“Special water” in general has been around since there were bottles. Perrier, Fiji, etc. I drink tap water pretty much all the time, but I do appreciate the differences in both tap waters and natural spring waters, especially the fizzy kind, have their own flavour. Gerolsteiner is better than Perrier, e.g. New York tap is better than Seattle tap, which is better than Livingston, MT-area, high-mineral well water.

This particular idea of “raw water”, however, taps into a more primal desire. I can remember the days before Giardia came to the United States. Until I was in my mid teens, it was understood to be safe to drink water from fast-moving streams high in the mountains in the Western United States. It was awesome. I did it all the time growing up, and from anecdotal evidence (my own experience) it was safer than eating at greasy spoon restaurants on the way back from hiking. Then Giardia arrived and all that stopped.

That said, even before Giardia, drinking untreated water was always a very specific thing, from specific sources, just like this “raw water” now. Implicit in the experience is that it’s only available to a small “elite” (not necessarily financial). Giving the experience to everyone who wants it would be impossible.

I’d definitely consider drinking spring water or meltwater from the right source. I’d even concede the possibility that a ceramic filter might change the taste of water, but not enough to make me take a risk. I’m skeptical UV sterilization would, however.

We should also be clear about the risks. It is possible exposure to run-of-the-mill microbes is required for normal human system function and immune system development. Getting cholera from mountain spring sources seems unlikely, but maybe I’m wrong about that. Giardia would only be a problem if infected animals or humans were literally shitting on top of the source, which is a definite possibility but let’s remember infections are a numbers game.

And of course lots of people drink untreated water from wells. This doesn’t scale for areas with large human or animal populations, which is why we have well-water-borne cholera epidemics.

So, public, treated water systems good; anti-public water system ideology/behavior bad.

But I get part of the impulse here.

A tech product I’d definitely buy would be a high-reliability water quality testing system that could be used by everyone, priced so we could give one for free to every resident of Flynt and other towns with poor public water systems, working out to every person/family in the world. It’s a shame we need such a device, but we do sort of need one (to help bring about systemic improvements). It would be sold attached to a filtering/treatment system that made water safe, removing critters and poisons. But if you wanted the “raw water” experience, you could just run the analyzer part and make a judgment call. Meanwhile we’d crowd-source detection of water source contamination. Crowd+IoT! Win-win. Of course, since it’s Silicon Valley, t would only be funded if it had a Juiceroo-style subscription model, and would only work with internet connectivity.

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Wait…people drink water?

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Pretty sure that is what is making us all fat! I bet I’d lose like 5lbs if I got rid of all the deuterium in my body.

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I just stick my tongue on a 9 volt battery in the morning - charged up for the day.

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To be fair to Barnum other than his early days selling lotteries once he moved on to the circus and showmanship he always admitted it was pure hokum. Entertaining, fun and what people enjoyed but just a show.

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Onion water more money than asparagus water?

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This entire concept is preying upon scientific illiteracy among the monied class. It will work, to some extent, because Americans in general are not scientifically literate.

I sincerely hope no one dies because of this craven silicon valley asshole.

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Maybe we could convince them to just start eating those silica packets instead…

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Unless you lived in Flint Michigan. Then you had a third world problem in the first world because of deregulation.

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homeopathetic

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Maybe I can sell my used pool water. I soak grandchildren in it and what could be more healthy and natural than…

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Please don’t point out the idiocy of this. This is all part of the universe’s methods of weeding out the bad genes that are in the gene pool. IMHO. (btw - we need more chlorine for the pool, don’t we?)

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sounds like another attempt to grab VC money with little interest in actually selling anything.

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The only possible benefit I could see is perhaps building up a good strong gut to withstand the drinking water in certain other countries. But I question whether this could even do that. “That which doesn’t kill me can only make me stronger” is a questionable motto with regard to drinking water.

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The confluence of racism, classism and cronyism is what happened in Flint. It’s not that regulations were lacking, it’s that regulations were ignored.

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Any ideas about the science behind that? I find that in my water bottles too on occasion; some folks in the office suspect the water cooler somehow got contaminated. Is it really algae? Is it a particularly common species? Where does it come from? Questions abound.

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The thing is that it is possible to change the bond angle to about 114°, but you need to change the water to a different substance. You just need to add a little acid. Adding an acids to water forms hydronium ions (H3O+). (Actually, there are hydronium ions in neutral and basic water, as well, just not as much.) Hydronium has an H-O-H bond angle of about 114°.

The easiest way to do it is to add some carbon dioxide. This improved, wide-angled water is available in 2 L bottles at the supermarket. It’s called seltzer. It’s not all hydronium, though, if that affects your buying decision. If you want the maximum concentration of hydronium ions, without that pesky 104° common water, you can always swig concentrated hydrochloric acid, available at any home improvement store.

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Yeah, my grandfather used to load up glass jugs from a roadside spring back in the '60’s. The water was fine, and tasted better than what was coming out of his tap.

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The first rule of Hipster club? Always talk about Hipster Club.

If this douchenozzle is even halfway clever, after a couple more stinker ideas go bust, and no more VCs will invest in his projects, he’ll “reveal” that it was performance art all along, curated to highlight the depravity of bourgeois left-coast goopsterism.

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