I think “champagne socialist” was used to describe Jacobin, not juggalos, despite what seems to be a Jacobin writer’s attempt to pull the juggalo thing under the leftist umbrella. This isn’t unprecedented. Champagne socialists have long claimed to speak for and claim, various under classes, even while those under classes were usually ambivalent about being politically herded by such outsiders attempting to speak on their behalf. Particularly in the US, where many under class folk are resistant to “coastal elites”. And those elites then sneer how those ignorant under classes don’t understand what’s good for them when they support politics that keep them under classes in the first place.
I think @Israel_B was referring to the OP as a ‘champagne socialist’, and saying that the OP doesn’t really understand juggalos in the first place, and is using outdated language of class to try to portray them as some sort of Marxist heroes.
Though OP is reported to have a US$5M net worth according to the interwebs (true or not I don’t know) and lives on the West Coast, I was indeed referring to Jacobin with the clearly pejorative term used with full knowledge of its meaning as amplified by @shecky.
When I’ve called out OP its not for his politics, its for hyperbole and factual errors.
@BdgBill I like limousine liberal too but in the case of Jacobin felt that champagne socialist applied better.
So, it’s basically a slur thrown at the Jacobin writer. Who is this guy:
He’s a grad student these days, but apparently grew up as trailer trash.
As for the content…the Juggalos may not be heavily into socialist theory, but they are the white working class. Despite the mountains of crap spouted on the subject by liberal columnists just after the election, the white working class are not Trump’s base.
its the age old argument on whether fans of violent imagery are supportive of real life violent acts or are they quite adverse to it, and just happen to be working out random thoughts, or testing their limits in a socially acceptable medium.
I for one have seen many many horror fans, who, when confronted with real violence, get very sad for the victims, being traumatised as much as the rest of us.
So. By entering grad school with a ton of debt & being employed in a non represented position with poor pay, no hourly rate and no bennies - he’s magically rich? Not sure that makes any more sense.
oh boy, nevermind that the jacobin author is from a poor mid-west background. one assumption one can draw from your comment may be: no one writing socialist cultural analysis might possibly come those exact same cultural roots. perhaps another is: marxism is an outdated system of thought to describe conflicts ongoing in america…
I read the article and noted the authors’ names, but managed to miss that the publication is called Jacobin, and so I tried to parse your reference to ‘Jacobin’ as, well… Jacobin .
Which didn’t quite make sense (and thus my cautionary “I think…”) but, hey, I decided to run with it. (-:
