The most mindblowing photograph to emerge from the Nevada BLM/white militia standoff

[PrestonSturges]

@ScotterMonk

• Senator Harry Reid’s son, Rory Reid represents Chinese ENN Energy Group, involved in a deal to build a $5 Billion Solar project on the land where the Bundy Ranch is located.- BLM removed the page on their web site that talks about the solar project but this page has been found in Google’s cache and then removed. But many have copied the content and taken screenshots. The link below has one of those screenshots.- Regarding fees paid and not paid by Bundy, I recommend you investigate deeper before characterising the situation as him “essentially squatting”.

Please investigate a bit more about the Bundy Ranch standoff and I would love to see you all write a more factual article. The title you chose challenges my need for truth and fairness.

Story has been debunked and retracted

http://appalachianareanews.com/harry-reid-chinese-bundy-ranch-land-grab-actually-shelved-in-2013/

[LVRes]

There are several things that are clear once you think about them:

• The civilians were not aiming the rifles at local or state police. How many stories have we heard where someone aiming a pistol or rifle at a cop lives to tell about it? Very few. How many local or state police can be seen in the picture? I don’t see any Clark County/Metro vehicles (typical black and white) or any state police vehicles (dark blue), nor can I easily see any Metro officers (khaki uniforms) or state police officers (blue). You’d think at least one local or state law enforcement officer would’ve been seen in the picture given the view of the photographer. I’m hearing (and seeing) that local and state police presence was not at the site, but some miles down the road where I15 was closed.
• BLM Rangers are not police officers. They don’t have the temperament, training, equipment, budget, or resources that local and state law enforcement officers have.
• This is not about fracking, oil, or grabbing land for a solar project. There are no solar projects, pending, in planning, on hold, or otherwise waiting to happen anywhere near this property. There is no oil here. There is nothing to frack here. The underground river(s) can easily be traced using Google Earth or similar - just look for the green stuff. There isn’t much except for the Virgin River. There wasn’t a solar project on the books 20 years ago when Mr. Bundy stopped paying the fees.
• This is far from over. Anyone care to wager on which way they’ll go after the Bundy family first? IRS would be a good guess.
• Tin foil hat types can ponder over the number of cell towers in Bunkerville, NV (very few) and how easy it would be to identify the phones of the people involved. Those same tin foil hat types can look at the complaints that some of the Occupy types had of their treatment after all that stuff ended…
• This is obviously not the BLM’s area of expertise. The next time that Mr. Bundy becomes an issue it will be a different agency that takes action.

[PrestonSturges]

Let’s pause and look back on of the militia types favorite “watering the Tree Of Liberty” Jefferson quote about Shays Rebellion. The colonies and early states had experienced several domestic rebellions, so this was much on the minds of the folks at the Constitutional Convention. Although Jefferson saw the short-lived uprising as ignorant people being whipped up, he still regarded them as patriotic, if not very bright.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all and always well-informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive… Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon, and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

Jefferson said that these people were part of the essential “manure” of liberty, and it sounded like he believed that bayoneting some intractably ignorant people was going to be the cost of doing business.

[technogeekagain]

Just sticking my nose in to say that, with 140 responses already in a nonthreaded discussion, I for one don’t feel like trying to catch up on it.

[GilbertWham]

@PrestonSturges

bayoneting some intractably ignorant people

/drifts off into silent reverie/

[churba]

Here’s one of the calls to action on the matter, presented without comment:

[PrestonSturges]

@churba

Here’s one of the calls to action on the matter, presented without comment:

I was just thinking that these people who will swallow any kind of bullshit hook line and sinker (enjoy the mixed metaphor) probably includes at least three standard deviations above the mean for Holocaust deniers.

[Jenglish]

Including race in the headline here is offensive. No less so than if one were to label a crime committed by an AfAm as indicative of “black people” as a whole.

Would love to see an edit and apology for poor choice. Dialogue here is usually better than that.

[jerwin]

BLM Rangers are not police officers. They don’t have the temperament, training, equipment, budget, or resources that local and state law enforcement officers have.

That’s bullshit.

[Dave_Barak]

Considering that Waco, Ruby Ridge, MOVE and others all happened under the watch of a white president, I’d have to agree with you (in this case) - it’s more about Libertarian philosophy than it is about the color of the president. Once the Libertarians have things set up the way they want, THEN they can move on to white supremacy.

[PrestonSturges]

Further debunking via Snopes:

FACT CHECK: Harry Reid, Chinese Company Behind Nevada Ranch Standoff

[iburl]

Well, the master plan was evidently to send the women and children out front, as human shields. Fear is the killer.

[LVRes]

@jerwin

> BLM Rangers are not police officers. They don’t have the temperament, training, equipment, budget, or resources that local and state law enforcement officers have.

That’s bullshit.

How so? The number of people working for LVMPD in 2011 was roughly 5000. The number of BLM rangers stationed in Clark County is less than a tenth of that number. The BLM rangers don’t share offices with Metro… anything else you want to call bullshit on?

[facereplacer]

Racist, no. Ineloquent, maybe. He’s referring to the Rothschild bank known as the Federal Reserve, which is unconstitutional and is largely the most massive conspiracy foisted upon mankind. Read about the Balfour Treaty, all the secret agreements that were made to the Rothschild’s prior to the second world war, and then combine all that with the Israel lobby. There is a ZIONIST issue we need to deal with here in America. People who love liberty, and speak well on the subject are very careful to point out the difference between Judaism and Zionism.

[facereplacer]

If you’re going to be that wrong, could you be more succinct about it. A simple look at the facts can disprove anything you’ve stated.

[AnthonyI]

No doubt. I entirely agree with you. The goal in a situation like is that everyone go home unscathed and for grievances be resolved in a more civil, non-violent manner.

Yet it doesn’t excuse anyone who decides train a firearm on government officials, as they need to realize that it’s wrong; they could justifiably be killed over such a choice.

In the end I’m glad no one was hurt, violence should always be the option of last resort. I do hope this guy gets identified and prosecuted though. Why should this kind of thing be allowed?

[jerwin]

It’s bullshit because you can define resources and especially “temperament” any way you damn well please.

BLM Rangers are, in fact, law enforcement.

[redesigned]

@JeanBaptiste

That’s a pretty broad brush you’re painting with…

Yet such an accurate and realistic painting, now that’s skill!

@Shane_Simmons

When’s the last time a group of inner-city punks gathered a small

They aren’t allowed to gather in groups or they get a beat down, heck they can’t even stand around without getting the stick end of the cops business.

@jerwin

I hate liberal pedants!

Shouldn’t you hate pendants bipartisanly regardless of their leanings?

@brian_carnell

“I believe this is a sovereign state of Nevada,” Bundy said in a radio interview last Thursday. “I abide by all of Nevada state laws. But I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing.”

woah…crazy. i can see this not ending well for him.

@atouk

“You don’t need sights to use a gun as a penis substitute.”
True. You didn’t need a gun at all. Some people use personal attacks on online forums.

i’m betting you don’t even see the self depreciating irony in your comment…i laughed for a few minutes at this one.

@technogeekagain

Just sticking my nose in to say that, with 140 responses already in a nonthreaded discussion, I for one don’t feel like trying to catch up on it.

You are missing out on some pretty funny stuff.

[jerwin]

@redesigned

Shouldn’t you hate pendants bipartisanly regardless of their leanings?

Well… Poe’s law and all that. However, liberal regimes are most often based on a written law that applies generally. And with a written law, you can be pedantic… If you base sovereignty on something other than a written law, those in power can bend the rules as they see fit,

[heckblazer]

@C11

Bundy doesn’t own the BLM managed grazing land, but he does own land that his house and ranch set on. I agree with crizzle that there are already long established processes the gov’t goes through to collect a debt and putting a lien on his house and ranch should be an early step. It looks increasingly like the BLM had some other development they wanted to pursue on that land (or perhaps more accurately, their bosses in DC wanted to do with it) and they got impatient with the 20+ year legal battle they had been fighting with the rancher. Rather than continue the court battle while whatever development opportunity passed them by they tried to force a conclusion with… well brute force.

You’ve got the situation wrong. Bundy lost in court, repeatedly, because his case had no merit. By continuing to graze on BLM land he was in direct violation of a federal court order. That order also explicitly authorized BLM to seize any future trespassing cattle:

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Bundy is permanently enjoined from trespassing on the former Bunkerville Allotment.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the United States is entitled to protect the former Bunkerville Allotment against this trespass, and all future trespasses by Bundy.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Bundy shall remove his livestock from the former Bunkerville Allotment within 45 days of the date hereof, and that the United States is entitled to seize and remove to impound any of Bundy’s cattle that remain in trespass after 45 days of the date hereof.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the United States is entitled to seize and remove to impound any of Bundy’s cattle for any future trespasses